[arista]

Originally Posted by Lemo

Also weed makes me alot more social my brother smokes weed, now he asks me if he wants to come out and wack some bongs. and me and my brother wasnt very close its actually the only times we talk is when we're stoned (or smoking a joint etc) or making a joint or sorting out a bong. x

Not a Good Sign.


Hell of a Rut you are in.



Drugs change you.

[Jords]

I never said symptons of withdrawel are the same, I said the definition of addiction is the same for all things - the longer you have it the more you'll want it.

And you guys are not reading what I am putting >.< Lemo I know its about personalites, legalising the drug would make more people try it, and those with the addictive personalities may move onto the harder drugs, I know cannabis isnt really that harmful, its how it is a gateway.

And the argument about why isnt alcohol and tobacco illegal then is always brought up. And tbh I dont know, probably because the trend is that people who drink alcohol and have tobacco dont tend to move onto hard drugs, but people who smoke cannabis may do - or at least at lot more than alcochol and tobacco users.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

I never said symptons of withdrawel are the same, I said the definition of addiction is the same for all things - the longer you have it the more you'll want it.

And you guys are not reading what I am putting >.< Lemo I know its about personalites, legalising the drug would make more people try it, and those with the addictive personalities may move onto the harder drugs, I know cannabis isnt really that harmful, its how it is a gateway.

And the argument about why isnt alcohol and tobacco illegal then is always brought up. And tbh I dont know, probably because the trend is that people who drink alcohol and have tobacco dont tend to move onto hard drugs, but people who smoke cannabis may do - or at least at lot more than alcochol and tobacco users.

That's absoloute bollocks. There's no facts behind what you are saying.

Some claim that trying cannabis increases the probability that users will eventually use "harder" drugs. This hypothesis has been one of the central pillars of anti-cannabis drug policy in the United States,[81] though the validity and implications of these hypotheses are highly debated.[82] Studies have shown that tobacco smoking is a better predictor of concurrent illicit hard drug use than smoking cannabis.[83]

No widely accepted study has ever demonstrated a cause-and-effect relationship between the use of cannabis and the later use of harder drugs like heroin and cocaine. However, the prevalence of tobacco cigarette advertising and the practice of mixing tobacco and cannabis together in a single large joint, common in Europe, are believed to be a factor in promoting nicotine dependency among young persons investigating cannabis.[84]

[Jords]

I said I dont know probably, but tbh I can see more cannabis users moving on to harder drugs than alcohol drinkers and tobacco smokers.

[Stu]

Well unfortunately there is no evidence to suggest what you are saying.

[Lemo]

drugs havent changed me one bit. if it did. then why do i have the same friends now telling me i havent changed :L I dont see anyones problem with smoking weed. hey if you smoke coffee then you're just going to go on harder stuff like caffine pills (coffee has caffine in and thats a drug) and if you do a drug you "change" lol no. i havent changed one single bit. ive been smoked weed untill i became a hardcore smoker (since like february last year) and i havent "changed" a single bit. it makes me sooo relaxed. and just happy that ive got my fam friends and bf.



also

cannabis is highly used in the USA for medical reasons.

[Stu]

People ignore the fact that the stoned state, to the vast majority, is a very relaxing, sociable, spiritually beneficial state of mind. And I have no ambitions whatsoever to go shooting junk in to my balls just because I hit bongs like crazy.

[Jords]

I guess the things were taught in school is just made up **** too

[Stu]

A lot of it is, really. Or exagerrated. Or only shown from one side. You can't honestly tell me that the whole anti drugs thing is looking out for your health when alcohol and tobacco are the legal ones.

[Captain.Remy]

Stu belongs to the Cannabis debate as much as I belong to the Smoking one.

We already had that debate about a thousand times already. I'm tired to explain this one again but I basically agree with what Stu has been saying on the matter. I had my "weed" moments because I was 16, it was new and fresh. Now, it's time to time, when I feel it, it's not bad.

[Shaun]

Have smoked it before, don't really have the wherewithal to smoke it on a regular basis...but I have no problem with it. I prefer getting stoned to drunk, I don't get sick, I don't turn into an obnoxious twat and I don't have to stand in a club playing T-Pain's 'Low'.

[Stu]

Instead you sit down and everyone talks about Prince's early material when eating ice cream.

[Shaun]

Exactly, it's win-win.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Exactly, it's win-win.

Only for a Time.


A Natural High is best on Sex.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by arista

Only for a Time.


A Natural High is best on Sex.

But sex when your stoned is even better than sex .

[arista]

Originally Posted by Stu

But sex when your stoned is even better than sex .

No it is Not.


You are Hooked.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by arista

No it is Not.


You are Hooked.

Sorry you cannot be hooked to cannabis. You can love it and want it all the time, but it is not an addictive substance.

[Jords]

I see good points of legalising it and I see bad points. And imo the bad points way over shine the good ones so it should be kept illegal.

If you smoke cannabis, make sure you stick with cannabis and not move onto worse things people

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

I see good points of legalising it and I see bad points. And imo the bad points way over shine the good ones so it should be kept illegal.

If you smoke cannabis, make sure you stick with cannabis and not move onto worse things people

You only listed one bad point and that was not even fact based. There are dozens of good points on the other hand. Less criminal profit, proper age restrictions, safer product, tax money, freeing up jail space, freeing up Police time, and so on and so on and so on.

[WOMBAI]

Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm

Look at the groups these studies are targetting. Young people and people who smoke 15 joints a day. Obviously these people are asking for mental illness. But most smokers don't smoke 15 joints a day.

Plus the biggest thing causing the mental illness is poorly grown skunk by criminal gangs - a result of prohibition - which has high levels of THC but low levels of CBD - the other important compound in Cannabis, and a natural andti-psychotic, anti-anxiety agent.

Legalised Cannabis with age restrictions and proper grown weed would have a beneficial effect on the so called psychosis link which is not yet a fact accepted by all scientists.

Plus Cannabis has far more medicinal uses that outweigh this one psycosis thing.

[Lemo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Made an interesting read - if anyone is interested:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1146752.stm

you obviously dont listen to the news alot


the ex uk's chief drugs adviser said that cannabis is less harmful than alchole and nicotine also 3 more drug advisers step down because he is right. and the goverment are wrong.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Lemo

you obviously dont listen to the news alot


the ex uk's chief drugs adviser said that cannabis is less harmful than alchole and nicotine also 3 more drug advisers step down because he is right. and the goverment are wrong.

Well as I don't smoke - and only occasionally have a drink - your point is what exactly!

Personally I don't believe that if people do any of those things to excess - the NHS should foot the bill for resulting illnesses or conditions. It is bogged down as it is - there simply isn't enough money. They should take out insurance to cover any medical costs in the future.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Well as I don't smoke - and only occasionally have a drink - your point is what exactly!

Personally I don't believe that if people do any of those things to excess - the NHS should foot the bill for resulting illnesses or conditions. It is bogged down as it is - there simply isn't enough money. They should take out insurance to cover any medical costs in the future.

And thats where the tax money made from legal Cannabis is brought in...

[Lemo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Well as I don't smoke - and only occasionally have a drink - your point is what exactly!

.

who said you have to smoke weed to listen to the news :S