[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

abortion is wrong and one day will be illegal and seen as a disgusting stain on human existance

I am glad it is illegal here.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I am glad it is illegal here.

Nah, illegal doesn't help anything, people just have backstreet abortions and that's not good.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Enid

Illegalising abortion? Are you sh!tting me? That will cause more harm than good. There are enough unwanted children as it is, not to mention over-population.

Why ruin a young woman's life just because she was stupid and naive one time? We all make mistakes. She also does not want to be stuck with a rape baby.

Pro-choice all the way, baby.

can you tell me and everyone else how many "rape pregnancies" there were in the UK last year, or indeed any year?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

The difference is most sensible people know how to keep it in their pants or atleast use protection so they don't have that problem in the first place. If you can't do the time don't do the crime!

Again, it's easy to judge isn't it? People make mistakes with contraception. It's not foolproof and celibacy isn't a viable option really. Like Enid said, making it illegal would only cause more harm.

People aren't perfect and no contraception is 100% guaranteed to work, I don't agree with people using abortion as a form of contraception but I don't judge people who don't make the choice lightly.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

Nah, illegal doesn't help anything, people just have backstreet abortions and that's not good.

I have never heard of anyone in Ireland having an illegal abortion, people do go to England to have them sometimes though. It's only a trip across the water on a ferry. If there are abortions going on in Ireland then there are definitely less than there would be if it was legal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

Nah, illegal doesn't help anything, people just have backstreet abortions and that's not good.

Perhaps rather than worry about that it would be better to stop the pregnancies actually occurring?

maybe we should concentrate on cause that on result

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

Well they shouldn't be allowed the easy way out by a quick trip to a clinic to absolve them of all reponsibility. 'Naive' bull****. Their just too lazy to give a stuff.

You're also being naive about the situation. Sometimes it is an incredibly difficult decision and situations change. It's never as simple as taking a trip down to the clinic. Well maybe in some cases, but you know what I mean.

I'd rather a girl have an abortion than see her try to raise a child before she's physically, emotionally and financially stable to support it. I see it every day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, it's easy to judge isn't it? People make mistakes with contraception. It's not foolproof and celibacy isn't a viable option really. Like Enid said, making it illegal would only cause more harm.

People aren't perfect and no contraception is 100% guaranteed to work, I don't agree with people using abortion as a form of contraception but I don't judge people who don't make the choice lightly.

again

what are the numbers of failed contraception pregnancies that you refer to, UK stats would do?

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

If there are abortions going on in Ireland then there are definitely less than there would be if it was legal.

That is true but I don't see how even having one backstreet abortion is right. They are horrorific.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Enid

I'd rather a girl have an abortion than see her try to raise a child before she's physically, emotionally and financially stable to support it. I see it every day.

Well she shouldn't open her legs then should she?!

[Enid]

Can't be arsed with this if people are going to be so narrow-minded.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Enid

Can't be arsed with this if people are going to be so narrow-minded.

Enid you have a very poor and stereotypical view of this subject, it is you that has the keyhole view here

[Lucy.]

It's not narrow-mindedness.
Feel free to explain to me why you think murdering a life is acceptable, i'm all ears.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.cbrinfo.org/

This is not for the feint hearted so dont go there (ie warning).

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

It's not narrow-mindedness.
Feel free to explain to me why you think murdering a life is acceptable, i'm all ears.

Lol, "murder". It isn't a life. It isn't even a human being. Sorry, but we are clearly very different people. Maybe I don't value "human life" as much as you do, but I do value freedom of choice.

NOTHING is right or wrong, it is merely opinion. There is absolutely nothing to say murder or abortion is wrong. I don't have to explain why I think abortion is right. I've already been through it anyway.

Damn, this is just annoying as those "MEAT IS MURDER" protests.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Enid

There is absolutely nothing to say murder is wrong.

Psychopath much?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Enid

Lol, "murder". It isn't a life. It isn't even a human being. Sorry, but we are clearly very different people. Maybe I don't value "human life" as much as you do, but I do value freedom of choice.

NOTHING is right or wrong, it is merely opinion. There is absolutely nothing to say murder or abortion is wrong. I don't have to explain why I think abortion is right. I've already been through it anyway.

Damn, this is just annoying as those "MEAT IS MURDER" protests.

"It isn't even a human being"


why?

explain

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

It's not narrow-mindedness.
Feel free to explain to me why you think murdering a life is acceptable, i'm all ears.

So your a hardcore vegan who takes care not to step on flowers or squish bugs?

Life is experience. The good things, the bad things. Life begins at birth. Before that you are an empty template. I have no problem with women aborting foetuses in the early stages. What is it exactly? Where do you draw the line?

If you consider an aborted foetus to be killing a life, then I'm rubbing a few civilizations off my chest with a tissue after I have a wank, surely? Where do you draw the line?

To me life is thought. Not a series of biological functions by an organism in the early stages of it's development. If your all for saving a 'life' which countless other species are capabale of dwarfing in terms of cognitive function, then you had better not be eating chicken tonight. After all, it exhibits far more signs of life than a fucking egg.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

Psychopath much?

You don't get what I'm saying. To say murder is wrong is not a fact. It is an opinion. I never said I think murder is right. Oh, well, I am pro-choice, so maybe I did, hehe.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Life begins at birth. Before that you are an empty template.

An empty template that can feel pain.
Right on.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"It isn't even a human being"


why?

explain

Sorry, but I'm not going to try to rationalise with a religious nut. We are going to bump heads on pretty much everything.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

An empty template that can feel pain.
Right on.

Virtually every animal on the planet can feel pain. It's hardly a hallmark of human life.

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Lucy.

An empty template that can feel pain.
Right on.

Very later on in the pregnancy. To say that a little foetus or embryo can feel pain is just moronic.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Virtually every animal on the planet can feel pain.

I am not disputing that. All i'm saying is that i don't think it's right to kill a baby when in the majority of cases if you hadn't wanted one you could have avoided it in the first place.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Enid

To say that a little foetus or embryo can feel pain is just moronic.

I never said they could. If you look i have never actually said anything about abortion very early on, that's a different thing to killing a foetus which is actually a life.