[arista]

Originally Posted by Barbie

Hopefully the UK will follow soon, what they do in their houses is their own business but outside in public for the points raised above it should be banned. We don't allow hoodies to be up in shops, or would find it acceptable if people go around in balaclava's, we shouldn't have double standard just because it is someones religion.

There are no UK plans
other than in high security problems.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Barbie

Hopefully the UK will follow soon, what they do in their houses is their own business but outside in public for the points raised above it should be banned. We don't allow hoodies to be up in shops, or would find it acceptable if people go around in balaclava's, we shouldn't have double standard just because it is someones religion.

I remember hearing "what they do in their homes is their own business, but don't shove it in my face" being a common line of defence for most homophobes.

[Barbie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I remember hearing "what they do in their homes is their own business, but don't shove it in my face" being a common line of defence for most homophobes.

Haha, im far from a homophobe, comparing a burkha to homosexuals is ridiculous! What im saying is as far as security and identification goes in their home they can cover their faces, but in public they shouldn't because we don't have a clue who they are under their burkha.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Barbie

Haha, im far from a homophobe, comparing a burkha to homosexuals is ridiculous! What im saying is as far as security and identification goes in their home they can cover their faces, but in public they shouldn't because we don't have a clue who they are under their burkha.

This debate's been had numerous times and it always comes undone whenever you ask someone opposed to the burkha to name an example where someone wearing a burkha has exposed a flaw in security protocols. Everyone immediately conjures this stereotype that those who wear them are like "dem terrorists" that get so much coverage on the news in the Middle East, because, erm, their country is messed up.

Besides, there's nothing stopping you from asking someone (wearing a burkha) to reveal themselves. That in itself is already a legal requirement - it just isn't necessary to ban them altogether.

[bananarama]

The ban is long long over due. Hope it gets implemented ruthlessly.

The allowing of such practices gives the green light for new generations from birth to be brainwashed with what ever cultural or religious garbage adults want to inflict on new generations.....

Brain washed kids do not grow up to be free individuals. They are mentally damaged individuals. The very reason there should be a ruthless ban on such practices.

British polititions are way behind the curve and will do nothing exept allow future generations to be taught dark ages garbage...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Barbie

Haha, im far from a homophobe, comparing a burkha to homosexuals is ridiculous! What im saying is as far as security and identification goes in their home they can cover their faces, but in public they shouldn't because we don't have a clue who they are under their burkha.

This.

It's about time the UK got it's act together and followed suit.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Barbie

Hopefully the UK will follow soon, what they do in their houses is their own business but outside in public for the points raised above it should be banned. We don't allow hoodies to be up in shops, or would find it acceptable if people go around in balaclava's, we shouldn't have double standard just because it is someones religion.

This.

[InOne]

Hopefully Cameron will step up to the mark. Highly doubt it though...

[Scarlett.]

This topic is more than a grey area than people think, the Burka is part of their religeon, should the government really intefere in such matters? and has the French government taken into account that this could cause a backlash from more extremist sects?

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

This topic is more than a grey area than people think, the Burka is part of their religeon, should the government really intefere in such matters? and has the French government taken into account that this could cause a backlash from more extremist sects?

France is a laic country which means there is an absence of religious involvement in government affairs as well as absence of government involvement in religious affairs.

A few years ago, the French government has officially forbidden showing Christian crosses in public places. Now it's time for Islam to face the same fate.

Religious items are forbidden in public places. End of.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

France is a laic country which means there is an absence of religious involvement in government affairs as well as absence of government involvement in religious affairs.

A few years ago, the French government has officially forbidden showing Christian crosses in public places. Now it's time for Islam to face the same fate.

Religious items are forbidden in public places. End of.

Ah fair enough, I thought it was just the Burka's being banned

[arista]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

France is a laic country which means there is an absence of religious involvement in government affairs as well as absence of government involvement in religious affairs.

A few years ago, the French government has officially forbidden showing Christian crosses in public places. Now it's time for Islam to face the same fate.

Religious items are forbidden in public places. End of.

Good For France.

[arista]

Debate on Ch4 News now

[Shaun]

Yeah, freedom = banning clothing and religious practices. Interesting logic, that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yeah, freedom = banning clothing and religious practices. Interesting logic, that.

Look Shaun I have been in France
its nothing like the UK.

They have Every Right to Ban it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yeah, freedom = banning clothing and religious practices. Interesting logic, that.

This really, I'm too tired of these topics to really contribute but restricting people's rights to wear what they want is a slippery path. What would be a better alternative is a educating people about the Burkha and such, tell people they can't do something and they'll probably react angrily but if you give them the choice they might very well end up rejecting the Burkha of their own accord.

A parent's mistake isn't always permanent, people can and will grow up and realise that some things their parents taught them were wrong, I did about a lot of things I was raised to believe in. Not everyone does but giving people the choice is a better and more peaceful way of doing things then outright banning it and creating more ill feeling then there was before.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This really, I'm too tired of these topics to really contribute but restricting people's rights to wear what they want is a slippery path. What would be a better alternative is a educating people about the Burkha and such, tell people they can't do something and they'll probably react angrily but if you give them the choice they might very well end up rejecting the Burkha of their own accord.

A parent's mistake isn't always permanent, people can and will grow up and realise that some things their parents taught them were wrong, I did about a lot of things I was raised to believe in. Not everyone does but giving people the choice is a better and more peaceful way of doing things then outright banning it and creating more ill feeling then there was before.

Aint that the truth!!!

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This really, I'm too tired of these topics to really contribute but restricting people's rights to wear what they want is a slippery path. What would be a better alternative is a educating people about the Burkha and such, tell people they can't do something and they'll probably react angrily but if you give them the choice they might very well end up rejecting the Burkha of their own accord.

A parent's mistake isn't always permanent, people can and will grow up and realise that some things their parents taught them were wrong, I did about a lot of things I was raised to believe in. Not everyone does but giving people the choice is a better and more peaceful way of doing things then outright banning it and creating more ill feeling then there was before.

Amen to that

[arista]

"I'm too tired of these topics to really contribute but restricting people's rights "

Have you been to France?

France needs this

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"I'm too tired of these topics to really contribute but restricting people's rights "

Have you been to France?

France needs this

That's nice Arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's nice Arista

so I assume you have not been to France?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

so I assume you have not been to France?

Yeah I'm not biting Arista, try harder.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah I'm not biting Arista, try harder.

Contentious.

[BB_Eye]

Can we ban wedding dresses?

Model female citizens get married in a registry office should they so lower themselves as to getting married at all. Wedding dresses are so synonymous your father 'walking you down the aisle' to give you away to your husband like you were a piece of property and they signify the end of all women's career ambitions. They're like walking coffins.

[Shaun]

I personally find nuns suspicious. They could be harbouring all sorts of explosives under their get-up!