[psychtracker]

He shows NO signs of being schizophrenic from what i've seen. But I AM surprised that BB would put someone in the house who suffers from such high levels of Anxiety & Paranoia.

[Shasown]

Why do housemate haters suddenly become armchair psyshologists?

[joeysteele]

Please don't minimilise Schizophrenia, it is a horrible illness and JJ is definately not affected by that. He does have anger management problems because he has a cynical smirking temper, but thats a totally different thing.
If he was in any way Schizophrenic, he would not be able to function on the house, it is an awful affliction for those who have it and for those who care about and for those affected with it.Please don't make jokes about it, just be thankful you don't have it and neither does John James whether you like him or not.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Why do housemate haters suddenly become armchair psyshologists?

I, for one don't "hate" him or any other HM for that matter, I do however listen to what they say, and he told Josie last night of his pathological hatred of liars and the extreme lengths that he will go to to trap them (posted on here elsewhere) even Josie (not noted for her mental prowess) told him that he needs professional help for this form of OCD [her terminology] if he doesn't get proper psychiatric help there is no telling what he is capable of. Cutting people out of his life forever for what he perceives as lying to him is totallyl irrational and OTT behaviour.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

he has hated Keeley from day one for no reason

yet it seems he was the one who carried keeley after her injury

AND he had a go at Ben saying he didnt care enough about Keeley

WTF is that about?

schizo?

or is it for benefit of viewers, so they think aww JJ such a gentleman

NO!....He's just a little spoilt mummys-boy TWAT!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

he has hated Keeley from day one for no reason

yet it seems he was the one who carried keeley after her injury

AND he had a go at Ben saying he didnt care enough about Keeley

WTF is that about?

schizo?

or is it for benefit of viewers, so they think aww JJ such a gentleman

It's for the benefit of the viewers afterall he didn't care that he hurt Sunshine did he
Ode to JJ
I'm Schizophrenic
and so am I

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

I, for one don't "hate" him or any other HM for that matter, I do however listen to what they say, and he told Josie last night of his pathological hatred of liars and the extreme lengths that he will go to to trap them (posted on here elsewhere) even Josie (not noted for her mental prowess) told him that he needs professional help for this form of OCD [her terminology] if he doesn't get proper psychiatric help there is no telling what he is capable of. Cutting people out of his life forever for what he perceives as lying to him is totallyl irrational and OTT behaviour.

I can't believe Josie had the nerve to tell him he needs professional help - when she clearly needs that sort of help at least as much, if not more than him!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

JJ said Ben was not as concerned as he should be about Keeley. Whether Ben was or was not concerned is not the point.
I just want to know JJ's motive for being annoyed at Ben. Keeley is not his friend, he doesn't like her.

Only reason I can think of is it was just a chance to try make Ben look bad

Exactly,people seem to conveniently forget Sunshine had a dressing on her leg from where JJ had dragged her to the swimming pool,I did not see JJs concern then and she was supposedly his friend,What was Ben supposed to do?he is no doctor,keeley was surrounded by people,Ben kept out of it as imo he knew EXACTLY what the others were doing,BB are hardly going to let her suffer are they and who is JJ to tell ben how he should feel?ben did the right thing by not joining in the game of doctors and nurses

[Visage]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Exactly,people seem to conveniently forget Sunshine had a dressing on her leg from where JJ had dragged her to the swimming pool,I did not see JJs concern then and she was supposedly his friend

Perhaps JJ has had time to think about how he reacted with Sunshine and her injury, so therefore he was trying to help Keeley.


But no I'm guessing because it's JJ there has to be an ulterior motive right?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Visage

Perhaps JJ has had time to think about how he reacted with Sunshine and her injury, so therefore he was trying to help Keeley.


But no I'm guessing because it's JJ there has to be an ulterior motive right?

Everything JJ does and says has an ulterior motive - there he was again yesterday banging on about HMs game plans, how newbies are evicted first usually, the best strategies to use, how HMs are perceved on the outside etc etc (this was to Josie and Dave in the bedroom).

For someone supposedly unconcerned about how he is perceived by the public - Mr "***** The Public" seems mightily clued up and interested in how everyone is coming across on the outside. I have no problem with him playing a game, but FFS stop insulting the Public's intelligence and stop bloody denying it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by SFGiantsfan

No. He probably has a form of depression like PTSD or any other.

Ohhh Jezuz H Tap dancin' Christ on a bike...

I'd like to thank all the psychologists and psychiatrists on this thread who are so gifted at their chosen vocation they can make a detailed diagnosis after watching someone on TELLY.

[LiquidGold]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

he has hated Keeley from day one for no reason

yet it seems he was the one who carried keeley after her injury

AND he had a go at Ben saying he didnt care enough about Keeley

WTF is that about?

schizo?

or is it for benefit of viewers, so they think aww JJ such a gentleman

its both! and his nasty , physcotic & callous game plan is working

[GuiltyPleasure]

Pointless.

[Frank E]

Two to assist was all that was required, for a four handed lift. Superfluous neck craners don't help in theses situations.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

schizo?

In another topic I was explaining how JJ is just about a clone of a friend of mine.
This friend had a brother who was diagnosed with full-on schizophrenia but he was not.
Instead he was diagnosed with something called 'schizo-affective disorder' which is (basically) something like 'Schizophrenia Junior'.

Honestly, I am not convinced this is nearly as much a 'hard science' as we want to believe but something like a 'schizophrenia' does seem to be the best way to describe it.

BB9 Dale had something like this going on too.

No doubt about it - JJ would easily qualify for SOME kind of mental disorder but all that really means is that his problems become enough to impede his daily activities.
So far.. he is not getting arrested, unable to care for himself, losing jobs etc so he can get by,
but,
you just know that guy can eat a handful of 'Ritalin' and would be handed some SSRI's in a doctors heartbeat tomorrow.

Proper Schizophrenia - no, he doesn't have that. He does share a lot of things with someone with 'schizo-affective disorder' (as that was explained to me),
That one is actually 'hopeful' because it does sound like a lot of people can actually improve and manage it and even get to a point where its as good as gone (for any practical purposes at least).

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Why do housemate haters suddenly become armchair psyshologists?

Their tripe is always good for a right old belly laff tho Terry!

I particularly like the ones which run along the lines: "Me mam's cousin's husband's auntie had a neighbour who..." then proceed to do a full-blooded comparison/analysis upon that solid basis rather than any qualification or knowlege. They crack me up

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Their tripe is always good for a right old belly laff tho Terry!

What makes you qualified to decide what is tripe and what is not?
Your belly shakes?
Or your expert training, professor?

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

What makes you qualified to decide what is tripe and what is not?
Your belly shakes?
Or your expert training, professor?

I am not a qualified to give phycological/psychiatric diagnoses ( patricularly when based solely on watching individuals compete on a reality show), so I offer none.

None of the armchair psychologists above have demonstrated any credible evidence to show they are any more qualified. Indeed, I'd venture that any FM who was qualified in these disciplines would flatly refuse to contribute on ethical and professional grounds. The obvious conclusion, therefore, must be that it's load of ill-informed and uneducated sh1te.

The logic is not hard to follow is it?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I am not a qualified to give phycological/psychiatric diagnoses based on watching individuals compete on a reality show, so I offer none.

But you believe you are qualified to judge what is sound psychological diagnosis and what is not.
This is you claiming to be an expert of all experts.

None of the armchair psychologists above have demonstrated any credible evidence to show they are any more qualified.

And you are an expert who would be able to judge that. So you claim here again.

Indeed, I'd venture that any FM who was qualified in these disciplines would flatly refuse to contribute.

'Indeed you venture'. You venture 'in deed' to guess any expert would flatly refuse to contribute.
Why not?
Psychologists and Therapists answer questions in online forums all the time. If you had 'Indeed ventured google' you could find THOUSANDS of them responding to questions in forums.
So what did you base your belief on?
Did experts 'flatly deny' contributions before?
Did they tell you that?

The obvious conclusion, therefore, must be that it's load of ill-informed sh1te.

That is not an 'obvious conclusion' at all. EVEN IF we suppose that FMs responding are not professionals - this doesn't 'conclude' they are wrong.
Example:
My ex was a full blown schizophrenic and my job included supervising schizophrenic people.
A close friend was diagnosed with 'schizo-affective disorder'.
yes.. actually this can help me give correct advice.
Even if I wasn't a Therapist.

The logic is not hard is it?

Its retarded. It wasn't even 'logic' at all. In fact, I think you have real problems with cognitive dissonance and we just saw it 'in action' with your senseless posts.
Woops.

[Claymores]

Nobody above has demonstrated their professionasl qualification and length of experience in the required disciplines. You yourself confirn that your contact is based upon anecdotal experience of friends/family and supervision in the role of carer rather than diagnostician/treatment manager.

When unqualified laypeople start handing down their diagnoses based upon watching a TV show (and I'm supposed by your reasining to accept them as sound evaluations), then it is really facepalm time indeed.

I await your mext 'expert' conclusions upon the housemates with baited breath Dr Ruth.

[Kerry]

Flippin' 'eck

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Nobody above has demonstrated their professionasl qualification and length of experience in the required disciplines.

How would you know unless you are claiming to be more of an expert than anyone posting here and even claiming yourself a 'judge of experts'.

You have done nothing to demonstrate this level of expertise except make illogical 'deductions'.

Do you have some degree or training to back up your claim to be able to discern and judge psychologists?

You yourself confirn that your contact is based upon anecdotal experience of friends/family and supervision in the role of carer rather than diagnostician/treatment manager.

Anecdotes are good. Psychology is based on them. Many anecdotes are called 'data'.
And again with your inability to work out logic. I did NOT tell you I was NOT a diagnostician/treatment manager, therapist, professional, trained etc etc.

What I did tell you was that people who live with and work with (in this example) schizophrenics most definitely can and will correctly identify another schizophrenic.

but the real issue here is that they could do this and be correct.
You suggested that any non-professional WILL be wrong. That is not necessarily true.
A non-professional could make a perfectly accurate diagnosis.

In fact, I have correctly identified problems with schizophrenics, taken them to the hospital where they confirmed I was perfectly accurate.
So you were wrong.

When unqualified laypeople start handing down their diagnoses based upon watching a TV show (and I'm supposed by your reasining to accept them as sound evaluations), then it is really facepalm time indeed.

How do you know they were handing down wrong diagnosis if you are no expert on this?
How do you know they are not handing down accurate diagnosis?

I await your mext 'expert' conclusions upon the housemates with baited breath Dr Ruth.

You should take your own advice and agree you have no way of diagnosing yourself as mentally healthy (or not) and find an expert to analyze and diagnose your mental condition for you.

[terryrow]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

he has hated Keeley from day one for no reason

yet it seems he was the one who carried keeley after her injury

AND he had a go at Ben saying he didnt care enough about Keeley

WTF is that about?

schizo?

or is it for benefit of viewers, so they think aww JJ such a gentleman

hellooooooooooo, camera time.