[Jack_]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

actually people complained about the time change which made kimberley hit the bottom two.

No, that was Sharon. I don't recall anyone else complaining [apart from a few, and I mean few fans on forums].

And even if they had - they can't have cared that much or else they'd have complained about Sharon refusing to vote - because, after all - it's the Judges vote that sent her home, not her 'landing in the Bottom Two'. That was my point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But I don't really see the point, because had two other acts been in the Bottom Two, or had Katie already left the show, no one would've even batted an eyelid. The only reason there's a fuss is because Katie stayed. So why should they have to pander to some obssesive, scrutinizing Katie haters wishes?

The point would be, that their viewers, you know those people who give them all their money, would be happier. I don't see what your issue is with getting some clarification on one rule tbh

And people are annoyed not because they're obsessive Katie haters but because of the sing off, where one act messed up their song and the other sang perfectly.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, that was Sharon. I don't recall anyone else complaining [apart from a few, and I mean few fans on forums].

And even if they had - they can't have cared that much or else they'd have complained about Sharon refusing to vote - because, after all - it's the Judges vote that sent her home, not her 'landing in the Bottom Two'. That was my point.

sharon osbourne is very ott,anyway i remember there was rumours of them going to bring kimberley back for week 2 because of the complaints about the time change which knocked her into the bottom two.

[BB_Eye]

I don't get why people are sending in complaints. We all know the judges make some retarded decisions, but I just can't fathom how it could annoy somebody to the point where they feel obliged to take their grievances to the broadcaster, or worse, a regulator.

There is no rule that states which contestants the judges should pick. I don't agree with a lot of decisions Cheryl has made and I'm not exactly her biggest fan, but all the immature hate for her is staggering.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

The point would be, that their viewers, you know those people who give them all their money, would be happier. I don't see what your issue is with getting some clarification on one rule is tbh

And people are annoyed not because they're obsessive Katie haters but because of the sing off, where one act messed up their song and the other sang perfectly.

well here is another thing katie sang **** in her sing off performance plus forgetting her words,how can anybody think thats fair of the judges then to keep katie in over treyc? otherwise they should have kept john adeleye in week 3 then if thats the case.

[Vicky.]

I dont see what peoples problems are with getting clarification that IF this happened again, the same thing would be done.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

The point would be, that their viewers, you know those people who give them all their money, would be happier. I don't see what your issue is with getting some clarification on one rule tbh

And people are annoyed not because they're obsessive Katie haters but because of the sing off, where one act messed up their song and the other sang perfectly.

If they don't like it then they should just not watch. I very much doubt a few thousand people [or even a hundred thousand people] is going to matter at all to them. When they have 16 million viewers - it really doesn't matter. And, really, no matter how many people say 'I'm boycotting the show' - they will still tune in. In their droves. Just to see what happens. It's exactly why stuff like this happens. Simon and co love it and everyone laps it all up without realising what they're doing. It's outstanding but fascinating to watch and it does wonders for the show.

Even if that is the case [which I doubt] - everyone knows that's the way the show works. You vote for your favourite acts to 'save them from the Bottom Two'. The two acts with the least votes sing again for the Judges Votes - not the publics, as it's out of their hands from then on. Everyone knows what they're voting for. They have done for seven years now. Once the Bottom Two is confirmed - it is out of the publics hands unless it goes to Deadlock. ITV, Syco, the producers and the Judges can eliminate which ever act they want by using whatever means they want. It's that simple.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If they don't like it then they should just not watch. I very much doubt a few thousand people [or even a hundred thousand people] is going to matter at all to them. When they have 16 million viewers - it really doesn't matter. And, really, no matter how many people say 'I'm boycotting the show' - they will still tune in. In their droves. Just to see what happens. It's exactly why stuff like this happens. Simon and co love it and everyone laps it all up without realising what they're doing. It's outstanding but fascinating to watch and it does wonders for the show.

Even if that is the case [which I doubt] - everyone knows that's the way the show works. You vote for your favourite acts to 'save them from the Bottom Two'. The two acts with the least votes sing again for the Judges Votes - not the publics, as it's out of their hands from then on. Everyone knows what they're voting for. They have done for seven years now. Once the Bottom Two is confirmed - it is out of the publics hands unless it goes to Deadlock. ITV, Syco, the producers and the Judges can eliminate which ever act they want by using whatever means they want. It's that simple.

well annoying the viewers and potentially losing some obviously does bother Simon, why else would he be considering introducing a new judge half way through the series?

Yes, Jack I am aware of what happens and you can say what you like but the fact is Katie was brutal in her sing off, and had been in the bottom too many times, they owed it to the public to get rid of her.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I think there are only a small portion of people actually blaming Cheryl, most from what I've seen, blame whoever told Dermot to go to her second

Yes. The producer who was talking in Dermot's ear

The fat cat will not show his face and will be sitting in his swivvly chair laughing at THE BRITISH PUBLIC! lol

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Yes. The producer who was talking in Dermot's ear

The fat cat will not show his face and will be sitting in his swivvly chair laughing at THE BRITISH PUBLIC! lol

yes, most likely

[joeysteele]

Sharon Osbourne did do that but it was her last series I think after that.She quit the next one, maybe history will repeat itself.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sharon Osbourne did do that but it was her last series I think after that.She quit the next one, maybe history will repeat itself.

fingers crossed that cheryl goes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

fingers crossed that cheryl goes.

I think last weeks events will have made her more determined to concentrate in the States, maybe get involved with Simon's X Factor project there rather than the UK.

What happened last week is new in a major sense though, although true when Sharon Osbourne refused to vote a more clear cut majority vote was used then, Sharon had said from the side of the stage after leaving her seat that she wasn't voting and she was finished,she was quitting the show.
It was rather embarrassing to watch this woman being so rediculous.

Last week wasn't the same at all, Cheryl said she wasn't voting at that point, but she then said go to the other 2 and then she would take it to deadlock, unlike with Sharon Osbourne,that was vastly different, as Cheryl hadn't stated she would not vote completely as Sharon had done previously.

So it was a new occurence last week in that sense,Dermot and the Producers ought to have gone back to Cheryl.
I still say, had Louis voted Katie out too like Danni, then Cheryl would have screamed the place down insisting she said she would take it to deadlock,as it is she saw she got the result that most suited her so said no more.

[cub]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Dermot and the Producers ought to have gone back to Cheryl.

Cheryl had made her decision by then. She had refused. Dermot asked her again. She refused again. What was the point in going back to her.

The error was going to Cheryl second. Mentor's always go last.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by cub

Cheryl had made her decision by then. She had refused. Dermot asked her again. She refused again. What was the point in going back to her.

The error was going to Cheryl second. Mentor's always go last.

I agree with you mostly, but its not the same as before as Cheryl had been willing to vote after Dannii and Louis,he should have gone back to her but he didint so thats the end of that.It is not the same and is new in the fact she would have been willing to vote had he gone back after Dannii and Louis had voted, that is a major difference from the only other time a majority vote was used with Sharon who not only said in no circumstances she would not vote but that she was finished with the show and quitting it.

Cheryl only said she was not voting at that point,not never.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with you mostly, but its not the same as before as Cheryl had been willing to vote after Dannii and Louis,he should have gone back to her but he didint so thats the end of that.It is not the same and is new in the fact she would have been willing to vote had he gone back after Dannii and Louis had voted, that is a major difference from the only other time a majority vote was used with Sharon who not only said in no circumstances she would not vote but that she was finished with the show and quitting it.

Cheryl only said she was not voting at that point,not never.

yes exactly, she called deadlock and was ignored

[Marsh.]

Well, Simon didn't vote the other week when two groups were in the bottom 2. Yes, the other three judges had already made a majority decision but what was with Dermot pressuring Cheryl to vote second.
The way he said "So you're point blank refusing to vote?" I felt like smacking him the stupid idiot. He acted like a ***** last week when he was saying to Simon "Come on, who would you have gone for?" Even though one act had already been eliminated and Simon didn't need to vote.
It was like come on, they've already been booted out of the show so let's stick the knife in and say that Simon would have also gone for you if he had the chance.
Didn't anyone else not think that Simon, Dannii and Louis would have done the exact same thing in Cheryl's position.