[Scarlett.]

Before and after

[arista]

A Spoof Image made yersterday
by a London poster

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its one of the many horrible parts of london. no surprise.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its one of the many horrible parts of london. no surprise.

I have to admit, it's not a part of London I like.

[billy123]

Disorder on the streets public unrest a lack of leadership everybody questioning if anybody is listening! oh hi tory goverment i hope your holiday is fun!
cameron and clegg are away sunning themselves at taxpayers expense (or more likely hiding) while the country unravels.
its just like the 80,s tory twats.
Anybody that was too young to know or too stupid to remember and voted these ***** in this is what a tory goverment entails deja vu they havent changed.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Disorder on the streets public unrest a lack of leadership everybody questioning if anybody is listening! oh hi tory goverment i hope your holiday is fun!
cameron and clegg are away sunning themselves at taxpayers expense (or more likely hiding) while the country unravels.
its just like the 80,s tory twats.
Anybody that was too young to know or too stupid to remember and voted these ***** in this is what a tory goverment entails deja vu they havent changed.

A thug waves a gun at police and is shot. Consequently, the dead-heads he associated with instigate a riot.

What has that got to do with the Tories? Mind you, it's pretty flattering that anyone would think they'd made that much impact in just fourteen months of being in power. I think they've been more tied up with trying to unravel the financial mess that a decade of Labour always leaves.

Incidentally, MPs holidays are not paid for from the public purse. Labour politicians go on holiday too... only Tony Blair never paid for his, of course.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Livia

A thug waves a gun at police and is shot. Consequently, the dead-heads he associated with instigate a riot.

What has that got to do with the Tories? Mind you, it's pretty flattering that anyone would think they'd made that much impact in just fourteen months of being in power. I think they've been more tied up with trying to unravel the financial mess that a decade of Labour always leaves.

Incidentally, MPs holidays are not paid for from the public purse. Labour politicians go on holiday too... only Tony Blair never paid for his, of course.

I have to agree 100% with your comments in bold, in particular your very first sentence.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

A thug waves a gun at police and is shot. Consequently, the dead-heads he associated with instigate a riot.

What has that got to do with the Tories? Mind you, it's pretty flattering that anyone would think they'd made that much impact in just fourteen months of being in power. I think they've been more tied up with trying to unravel the financial mess that a decade of Labour always leaves.

Incidentally, MPs holidays are not paid for from the public purse. Labour politicians go on holiday too... only Tony Blair never paid for his, of course.

That's a little unfair, now that the guy's dead at the hands of the police it's convenient to demonize him and label him a "gangster", a "thug" etc. but that's just an attempt to justify it.

All we know at this moment is that shots were fired and a father of four has ended up being shot twice in the face so badly that his mother couldn't even recognise him apparently. Sure he shouldn't have a gun in the first place but his cousin had recently been stabbed and he was becoming paranoid, one of the local residents even said of him that "he wasn't a troublemaker" and that "he's never had trouble with the police before".

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's a little unfair, now that the guy's dead at the hands of the police it's convenient to demonize him and label him a "gangster", a "thug" etc. but that's just an attempt to justify it.

All we know at this moment is that shots were fired and a father of four has ended up being shot twice in the face so badly that his mother couldn't even recognise him apparently. Sure he shouldn't have a gun in the first place but his cousin had recently been stabbed and he was becoming paranoid, one of the local residents even said of him that "he wasn't a troublemaker" and that "he's never had trouble with the police before".

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

Precisely. Run about with a loaded gun, point it at someone else carrying a loaded gun and the chances are you might end up dead. That's what happened.

If he was a big enough man to run around with a loaded gun:- he paid the price. Sorry, no sympathy here from me: for him or the thugs and scum bags who rioted in protest and those who caused the mayhem that followed.

I understand what you are saying, I just happen to not share the same view.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

well he is guilty. Carrying a gun and avoiding arrest are crimes. You wave a gun around at police and this is exactly what can happen.

And each case is different you can't lump them all together. Sometimes police have to make split second decisions in highly charged situations.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

well he is guilty. Carrying a gun and avoiding arrest are crimes. You wave a gun around at police and this is exactly what can happen.

And each case is different you can't lump them all together. Sometimes police have to make split second decisions in highly charged situations.

Clearly that's now what I was talking about, I meant judging him as guilty of being a "gangster" or a "thug", a guy who was somehow clearly deserving of being shot dead.

And sure, I didn't say they were different, I was just pointing out that it might be best to wait before we know more details before we decide the police are innocent of any wrongdoing here

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

SNIP/

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

Do you realise how many people are arrested in the UK every day and how many that would be since the Mendez botch? YOu make it sound like there have been like 2 arrests - there are over a million a year for crying out loud.

[Mystic Mock]

I cant believe the protesters are being allowed to do this much damage,if it was BNP supporters the police would be in there within a matter of seconds.

[arista]

Yes a Gun pointed
is a Death Wish.

[MTVN]

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/20...ce-duggan-live

Hate to say I told you so but...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/20...ce-duggan-live

Hate to say I told you so but...

It still doesnt change that the protesters are wrong for destroying peoples buisnesses,or throwing bricks at peoples windows.

As ive already said if it was the BNP supporters causing all this damage,the police would have came within a matter of Minutes at most.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

It still doesnt change that the protesters are wrong for destroying peoples buisnesses,or throwing bricks at peoples windows.

As ive already said if it was the BNP supporters causing all this damage,the police would have came within a matter of Minutes at most.

Well that's dumb, the police were right on the scene, there were dozens of them out in riot gear, what motivation would they have exactly for allowing these riots to happen and not a BNP riot?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/20...ce-duggan-live

Hate to say I told you so but...

Hate to say it, but ....... it makes no difference. Man goes about with loaded gun and intimating he will use it: man should expect to be shot at.

The bullet is still undergoing forensic testing. Suggestion is not yet fact.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hate to say it, but ....... it makes no difference. Man goes about with loaded gun and intimating he will use it: man should expect to be shot at.

The bullet is still undergoing forensic testing. Suggestion is not yet fact.

Jesus, so you think anyone who carries a gun deserves to be murdered by the police?

It makes all the difference in the world, it's the difference between self-defence by the police and murder by the police, and it also shows why you shouldn't leap to conclusions in cases like these

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jesus, so you think anyone who carries a gun deserves to be murdered by the police?

It makes all the difference in the world, it's the difference between self-defence by the police and murder by the police, and it also shows why you shouldn't leap to conclusions in cases like these

When they are brandishing around a loaded gun - yes. Self Defence: ahhhh... so that only works one way does it... the police aren't allowed to defend themselves but criminals with loaded guns are.

It's that simple, so Jesus away all you like. That's what I strongly believe.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

When they are brandishing around a loaded gun - yes. Self Defence: ahhhh... so that only works one way does it... the police aren't allowed to defend themselves but criminals with loaded guns are.

It's that simple, so Jesus away all you like. That's what I strongly believe.

So you're saying the police are above the law? Because if that wasn't a copper who shot a man at point blanc twice in the face you can be damn sure they'd be locked up for a long time, irrespective of whether the victim himself had a gun on him or not. And how do you know he was "brandishing" it around exactly?

Heck, there's even reports now that he was on the floor when he was shot, not good for the police is that is true

[Ninastar]

why are they actually rioting?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

why are they actually rioting?

It started in protest against the police after they shot and killed a local guy the other day, guess it kind of got out of hand

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It started in protest against the police after they shot and killed a local guy the other day, guess it kind of got out of hand

I love the way you portray it as 'the police killing a local guy' - like he was some kindly gent, a pillar of the community, with nothing but good and kindness to offer the world.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I love the way you portray it as 'the police killing a local guy' - like he was some kindly gent, a pillar of the community, with nothing but good and kindness to offer the world.

I think my statement was pretty neutral actually, just giving the facts; he was killed and he was a local guy, I said no more than that