[Bill Carson]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely! I do believe he is playing the game, I do think he likes Faye, though whether they would work on the outside is a different matter but when he comes out I hope he says he had it all worked out and was playing, BB has turned into wannbe central over the last few years so somebody playing it like that is more refreshing then the people who just spend their time trying to convince us all how normal they are.

NASTY Nick Bateman was only playing a "game"...What has happened since Y2k to warrant a U turn in perception?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely! I do believe he is playing the game.

Yes, and like I say game playing is fine, but the truth is the game he is really playing is on the voters as much as it is on the house. It is his FANS he is playing.

Aaron treats the public like morons, ready to be manipulated and used by his carefully calculated camera time.

I personally am not interested in giving my money to save someone who obviously considers his fans morons.

He is laughing at all his fans in everything he does.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Bill Carson

NASTY Nick Bateman was only playing a "game"...What has happened since Y2k to warrant a U turn in perception?

A hell of alot has happened since the original Big Brother imo, that truly was a social experiment, it changed into a platform for a bunch of desperate wannbes to further or start careers and get magazine deals. So for people to treat it as what it is ie a game show is refreshing imo, I've said the same about the game Anton is playing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, and like I say game playing is fine, but the truth is the game he is really playing is on the voters as much as it is on the house. It is his FANS he is playing.

Aaron treats the public like morons, ready to be manipulated and used by his carefully calculated camera time.

I personally am not interested in giving my money to save someone who obviously considers his fans morons.

He is laughing at all his fans in everything he does.

Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've said the same about the game Anton is playing.

Anton is different though.

He is playing the game against the house and including the public.

Aaron is playing the public.

I just prefer Anton's approach. As a viewer it is more honest and involves less of fans being treated like morons and being secretly laughed at by the HM in question.

[auntysplat]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely! I do believe he is playing the game, I do think he likes Faye, though whether they would work on the outside is a different matter but when he comes out I hope he says he had it all worked out and was playing, BB has turned into wannbe central over the last few years so somebody playing it like that is more refreshing then the people who just spend their time trying to convince us all how normal they are.

Seems to me Harry and Aaron are the only one's that are Not Wannerbee's, What's all this are we in a relationship stuff about?. ( am showing my age OAP),

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Anton is different though.

He is playing the game against the house and including the public.

Aaron is playing the public.

I just prefer Anton's approach. As a viewer it is more honest and involves less of fans being treated like morons and being secretly laughed at by the HM in question.

Again, that's your opinion on it. But some would see it as Aaron is playing a game and not being as nasty about it as Anton is. I'm pretty sure most of them are playing some sort of a game, maybe not to the extent Aaron and Anton are but still playing non the less. Louise for example, she's playing a game imo. No way is she into Jay, she's trying to compete with the couples angle. Alex, I believe is acting more stupid than she actually is.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by auntysplat

Seems to me Harry and Aaron are the only one's that are Not Wannerbee's, What's all this are we in a relationship stuff about?. ( am showing my age OAP),

I don't know, Fayes seems a bit insecure

[Rob4]

Not sure about this one, yes they all have an agenda, Aaron has a game, but if he was playing the public 100% of the time, would he risk losing the public with long sulking periods, moods and periods were he even stops talking to his friends.

Some people say the same about Alex, that her 'playing dumb' is a game, is she playing the public for fools as well.

Anton is more honest about his game, he loves the theatrics and loves his monologues in the DR, but no one in the history of BB as far as i know has won this way, they become memorable HM's, but never win as they alienate too many of the public who see the real person, so fooling the public is probably the best plan, but good luck trying to fool them 24 hours a day, you rely heavily on favourable edits for when your true personality shines through. Live feed would have addressed so many of these issues, but maybe this series should be viewed as more of a scripted soap drama than a social experiment.

Both Aaron and Anton are marmite characters, you love them or hate them, i doubt anyone is indifferent to them, both have made the series so far in my opinion.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Again, that's your opinion on it. But some would see it as Aaron is playing a game and not being as nasty about it as Anton is.

When in fact Aaron is being nastier and more dishonest, because at least Anton's approach involves being honest with us the public.

Anton laughs WITH us. Aaron laughs AT us.

Aaron's assumes people watching are fools and can be played... he is just cold. Oh, he knows how to switch the apprearence of being otherwise on and off as needed, but he is probably the most calculating HM we have ever seen in there. He uses, maintains, and discards as and when needed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

When in fact Aaron is being nastier and more dishonest, because at least Anton's approach involves being honest with us the public.

Anton laughs WITH us. Aaron laughs AT us.

Aaron's assumes people watching are fools and can be played... he is just cold. Oh, he knows how to switch the apprearence of being otherwise on and off as needed, but he is probably the most calculating HM we have ever seen in there. He uses, maintains, and discards as and when needed.

Not to sound like a broken record here but that's just your take on it, just because you think it doesn't make it right. I'm not naive enough to believe that everything I think is right either.

But tbf he did tell people that he'd be playing a game at the start so I don't see what your problem with him doing just that is. And why do you think people aren't aware of what he's doing and just like him because they think he's pretty clever? Everyone has their own reasons for liking a HM, I just don't like this lumping everyone in the same box and saying "Oh they're idiot teenagers they only like him cos he's fit" etc etc.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not to sound like a broken record here but that's just your take on it, just because you think it doesn't make it right. I'm not naive enough to believe that everything I think is right either.

Niamph... there isnt really a need for saying this. Especially to keep repeating it like you have been.

I am just giving a valid opinion, same as you do in all kinds of threads. Please stop telling me 'it's your take' on it though. I KNOW it's my own take on it, and thats why I offer the take up for discussion. We are here, on a discussion forum, to discuss our own takes on the HMs and the show after all.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But tbf he did tell people that he'd be playing a game at the start so I don't see what your problem with him doing just that is.

Because like I keep saying, his entire gameplan is based on making morons out fo the public.

A lot of folks obviously think he is playing the house, as well as those who think he is 100% genuine. They obviously don't get that they themselves are being manipulated by him... because they have been manipulated. Thats how it works.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And why do you think people aren't aware of what he's doing and just like him because they think he's pretty clever?

No, I don't think a lot of people base their like of him on his assumpion that they are morons.

And no I don't think most people get what Aaron is REALLY about. If they did his plan wouldnt be working. They will say they do, but they obivously don't.


Like I say, Anton laughs WITH you, Aaron laughs AT you.

[iTsHuge]

Originally Posted by Bill Carson

It's part of the gameplan i suppose,i mean-a blind man could tell he is gay,what red blooded male would lie in bed next to Tom,kissing the back of his neck and stroking his arm? All his mannerisms are gay-he even sits down when having a pee for goodness sake!!! It's a game or else he is one seriously confused dude,i just feel for Faye,and i suspect Jem can see this and is trying to tell her sister gently..

Agreed, there was more passion when him and Tom kissed imo!!!.. sorry Faye but it's true!! .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Niamph... there isnt really a need for saying this. Especially to keep repeating it like you have been.

I am just giving a valid opinion, same as you do in all kinds of threads. Please stop telling me 'it's your take' on it though. I KNOW it's my own take on it, and thats why I offer the take up for discussion. We are here, on a discussion forum, to discuss our own takes on the HMs and the show after all.



Because like I keep saying, his entire gameplan is based on making morons out fo the public.

A lot of folks obviously think he is playing the house, as well as those who think he is 100% genuine. They obviously don't get that they themselves are being manipulated by him... because they have been manipulated. Thats how it works.



No, I don't think a lot of people base their like of him on his assumpion that they are morons.

And no I don't think most people get what Aaron is REALLY about. If they did his plan wouldnt be working. They will say they do, but they obivously don't.


Like I say, Anton laughs WITH you, Aaron laughs AT you.

lmao, well, you must be extremely gifted to know why everyone likes Aaron then. Personally, I believe everyone has their reasons and not all of them are the same.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

lmao, well, you must be extremely gifted to know why everyone likes Aaron then.

now now, no need for this kind of sarcasm

I am just trying to have a discussion about a HM, not get into a personal slanging match with anyone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

now now, no need for this kind of sarcasm

I am just trying to have a discussion about a HM, not get into a personal slanging match with anyone.

Personal slanging match? Exaggerate much?

I think it's a fair point actually. You're implying you know how people think and why they all like Aaron. People are individuals, there isn't just one reason why they like him.

[billy123]

I dont think anybody is silly enough to believe the drivel that Aaron serves up i just feel sorry for faye she is being used by that dickhead.
I suppose some people are just weak and open to being manipulated.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I suppose some people are just weak and open to being manipulated.

I agree Bob, but the sad part of that is that the most easily manipulated don't even see it.

It's why Aaron does so well.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Personal slanging match? Exaggerate much?

Just heading it off before we get to that point. The sarcasm wasn't required though and dosen't add anything to the discussion except derails like this.

I will leave it now though, I don't think we are getting anywhere anyhow in our little exchange anyhow. Probably best to just call it done.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Just heading it off before we get to that point. The sarcasm wasn't required though and dosen't add anything to the discussion except derails like this.

I will leave it now though, I don't think we are getting anywhere anyhow in our little exchange anyhow. Probably best to just call it done.

Well, claiming that you know how and what the viewing public are thinking, is a bit much imo.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, claiming that you know how and what the viewing public are thinking, is a bit much imo.

Please, time to let it go. I am sorry you don't like my take on it, but it is my opinion based on what I have been watching.

But no hard feelings. I am happy to let it go and move on.

If you are happy to acknowledge that you are fully aware that he is intentionally playing the public like morons and you support him because of that because it shows he is clever, thats absolutely fine. More power to you. We just have different value systems when it comes to choosing our winner is all.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Please, time to let it go. I am sorry you don't like my take on it, but it is my opinion based on what I have been watching.

But no hard feelings. I am happy to let it go and move on.

If you are happy to acknowledge that you are fully aware that he is intentionally playing the public like morons and you support him because of that because it shows he is clever, thats absolutely fine. More power to you. We just have different value systems when it comes to choosing our winner is all.

Stop replying to me then if you want to let it go You can't expect me to stop replying to you when you're quite clearly putting words into my mouth and suggesting I've said things that I most certainly haven't.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, and like I say game playing is fine, but the truth is the game he is really playing is on the voters as much as it is on the house. It is his FANS he is playing.

Aaron treats the public like morons, ready to be manipulated and used by his carefully calculated camera time.

I personally am not interested in giving my money to save someone who obviously considers his fans morons.

He is laughing at all his fans in everything he does.

I'm an Aaron fan and object to people saying because we are fans we are being manipulated,we like Aaron for our own reasons which is every bit as valid as your reasons for liking your fave housemate,I could easily say you are being manipulated who knows?but I am grown up enough to know that different people appeal to different people,we are not stupid and IF I thought that about Aaron I would not support him,so we are not morons and Aaron knows it,IF he was thinking like that about us he would not do some of the things he does,he would try and curry favour and from what I have seen he doesn't.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm an Aaron fan and object to people saying because we are fans we are being manipulated

Well, yes,I expect you would. It wasn't aimed at you personally though.

Originally Posted by kazanne

IF he was thinking like that about us he would not do some of the things he does,he would try and curry favour and from what I have seen he doesn't.

I don't think your seeing the same Aaron that I am.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I dont think anybody is silly enough to believe the drivel that Aaron serves up i just feel sorry for faye she is being used by that dickhead.
I suppose some people are just weak and open to being manipulated.

There you go again insulting people,can't you write a post without the inane swearword?faye,being usedyour having a laugh.I suppose some people are just jealous and closeminded!