[fruit_cake]

can we stop making sweeping generalisations, people are individuals

[Anthony Hatface]

Virtues are virtues whatever the gender, and the same applies for vices. An egotistical, posturing, inconsiderate, ignorant, vain person is just as unpleasant whatever the chromosomes, while an independent, courageous, thoughtful, modest, and wise person is just as admirable.

In my own relationship, while my other half certainly is not averse to having someone who can make her feel safe and inspire trust, the same applies for me: there will be times when we are all called upon to be supportive, and when we in turn will need support.

Also, at the end of the day, it is hard to love someone if you don't admire them, and I would not admire her as much if she gave up on her dreams to be something society seemed to demand of her (and she has told me exactly the same re: my excuse for an acting career, which was very inspiring of her).

[InOne]

I love strong women, makes them much more interesting.

[Livia]

I consider myself to be a strong woman. I work in a predominantly male environment and I have to be tough, it's just the way it is. I had a wonderfully happy marriage that ended suddenly and tragically. He was a strong man, a career soldier who treated me as an equal. I've never wanted for male attention, and to say men don't like strong women is just one of those wild generalisations put about by men who prefer their women barefoot and pregnant.

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by Livia

I consider myself to be a strong woman. I work in a predominantly male environment and I have to be tough, it's just the way it is. I had a wonderfully happy marriage that ended suddenly and tragically. He was a strong man, a career soldier who treated me as an equal. I've never wanted for male attention, and to say men don't like strong women is just one of those wild generalisations put about by men who prefer their women barefoot and pregnant.

sorry but thats inaccurate imho...the only people saying men dont like strong women on BBOTS and often on other shallow talk shows is women generalising about men. also your throwaway line that you somehow have to be tough because you work with men is also incomprehensible...Ive worked most of my jobs with women large groups in the services industry and the vast majority of them spend their days arguing with customers all day long, myself and the male workers barely if ever argued with any customers, because we didnt take it personally, the women workers overall did take it personally and would cut customers off all day long. even some poor people who had been waitingfor their £100,000+ business ;loans for several weeks/months...lots of women there spoke crudely about sex and men and slagged men off regularly. I barely heard 1 derogatory word about women in the 5 years I worked in services and never heard men speak crudely. thats my honest to God experience

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

In times of old when men ruled the house and women had no choice but to put up and shut up, we had 50yr plus marriages and happy kids that knew right from wrong. That scenario (GENERALLY, NOT ALLWAYS BUT MOSTLY) depicted strong men weak women.

Nowadays we have womens lib, strong girls and women standing up for their rights wanting to be men and wear the trousers, Lesbians on every corner looking like Charles manson and acting like Attila the Hun and female polititians running or ruining our country and what do we have ........... More divorces and single parent families you can shake a stick at. Give me the old days anyday.

Before you ask or slag me off, I met my wife when I was 14, engaged at 18, married at 19 and have been together happily for 40 yrs with 3 very well behaved and balanced kids who all have their own businesses and were raised in a male dominated home. None of them had as much as a paddle on their bums and they have their own kids reared the same and are all happy, but in saying that, they have loads of mates that are single with kids and behaviour problems. GO FIGURE

MEN MIGHT LIKE STRONG WOMEN BUT NEVER MARRY OR STAY WITH THEM LONG. fact.

Jesus

I consider myself to be a strong woman, married to a strong man, we've been together 9 years and are extremely happy. Strong men have no problem with strong women.

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jesus

I consider myself to be a strong woman, married to a strong man, we've been together 9 years and are extremely happy. Strong men have no problem with strong women.

there speaks the voice of truth and experience over the theories of the hateful ....bravo and good luck with your strong marriage

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

sorry but thats inaccurate imho...the only people saying men dont like strong women on BBOTS and often on other shallow talk shows is women generalising about men. also your throwaway line that you somehow have to be tough because you work with men is also incomprehensible...Ive worked most of my jobs with women large groups in the services industry and the vast majority of them spend their days arguing with customers all day long, myself and the male workers barely if ever argued with any customers, because we didnt take it personally, the women workers overall did take it personally and would cut customers off all day long. even some poor people who had been waitingfor their £100,000+ business ;loans for several weeks/months...lots of women there spoke crudely about sex and men and slagged men off regularly. I barely heard 1 derogatory word about women in the 5 years I worked in services and never heard men speak crudely. thats my honest to God experience

I don't do throwaway lines, I mean every word with equal importance. I work in politics and the majority of people who do the same job that I do are men. Most of the people I have to be tough with are male politicians with egos the size of planets and brains the size of peanuts, and yes, I do have to be tough or they run off at the mouth and everyone's day gets ruined. Some of them would find it much easier to accept that I know what I'm talking about if I had a penis.

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by sampvt

In times of old when men ruled the house and women had no choice but to put up and shut up, we had 50yr plus marriages and happy kids that knew right from wrong. That scenario (GENERALLY, NOT ALLWAYS BUT MOSTLY) depicted strong men weak women.

Nowadays we have womens lib, strong girls and women standing up for their rights wanting to be men and wear the trousers, Lesbians on every corner looking like Charles manson and acting like Attila the Hun and female polititians running or ruining our country and what do we have ........... More divorces and single parent families you can shake a stick at. Give me the old days anyday.

Before you ask or slag me off, I met my wife when I was 14, engaged at 18, married at 19 and have been together happily for 40 yrs with 3 very well behaved and balanced kids who all have their own businesses and were raised in a male dominated home. None of them had as much as a paddle on their bums and they have their own kids reared the same and are all happy, but in saying that, they have loads of mates that are single with kids and behaviour problems. GO FIGURE

MEN MIGHT LIKE STRONG WOMEN BUT NEVER MARRY OR STAY WITH THEM LONG. fact.

Edit
You need to reprogramme your whole mindset
1) the real battle is rich V poor not men v women, read your history
2) women |AND men used to die on average in their early 40's about a century ago. millions of men were forced to die in wars fought for kings and queens , millions more died down coal mines in cotton fields, in slate quarries, or blowing up mountains to build railway lines for the people and for the rich...most men died young with TB and the working class women were left alone to bring up lots of kids....there was no anti biotics and disease and filth spread like wildfire throughout the poor.
3) millions of men were sent to wasteful deaths in the somme (70,000 men killed in 3 hours) all the behest of a general sat in a mansion in england 1000s of miles away
4) working class men and soldiers were forced to build an empire for the rich. many were drowned like rats, but they did at least help us develop our learning and understanding of the world in many ways for the betterment of society....
5) death camps in india and africa, the holocaust killed millions of poor men and women. everyone suffered.
6) the genious of british working class men shouldnt be underestimated. they built the worlds first railway system under the genius brunel. they built the roads, they scots and the welsh pretty much drove the whole industrial revolution for the world, cars, phones, tvs, trains, planes, ships ....the copper at the bottom of british ships was created using techniques invented in north wales 4000 years ago....the cannonballs made in merthyr the coal in northern england wales and scotland....all of these men worked long days, had no vehicles, my own grandad walked 20 miles to and from work every day and was paid a pittance....my other grand dad died of black water fever in world war 2
7) working class MEN did not have the right to vote in the Uk 110 years ago....they were forced to vote for their land owners or theyd get kicked onto the streets....a man called david lloyd george fought for the working class to get the right to vote, he in effect got the women the vote too....the same man created the welfare state and national insurance contributions and he set in motion the next stage , the national health service by the greatest politician there ever was, aneurin bevan
8) churchill now teres a man who lived and died for this country. just one whisper from this man inspired the world to fight the unimaginable tyraanny of the nazis
9) british men have not stood in the way of women at all. welsh lawsof equality in particular were written over 500 years in wales.100 years ago people were living in squalor, it was the economics of rich and poor. poor people men and women were mostly treated with contempt. lloyd george took us out the the great depression and also took over the nightmare world war 1 from the butcher generals...had an audience with the king and so charismatic was lloyd george he persuaded the king to tax himself and all rich people thereafter...llloyd george was a flawed man, but certainly a flawed genius. he achieved more than any british politician ever in helping working class men and women imho...
10) every man loves and respects his mother his grand mother etc but in life respect must be earned regardless of sex. respect is usually based on trust , honesty , integrity etc

it is vital we all each one of us, look at each individual on merit. if equal opportunity is to work. it simply has to be equal on all sides. there is for example bias in marital law that sees women get custody 80% of the time in the Uk and win the right to keep the family home in over 80% of cases too....motherhood is not more important that fatherhood, until that i sset in stone in law then we will have an imbalanced british society and literally eberything will suffer....its not a trivial matter....any man, any father can wake up and lose his children, his home his lifetime savings and future income at any split second at the whim of his wife....it doesnt work the other way around....then the children (male and female suffer as do the granparents (male and female)

in terms of tv shows when a woman makes a sweeping generalization she needs to be told just as a man needs to be told...if its an opinion based on fact and experience fair enough, but to generalize about all men or women is wrong

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

there speaks the voice of truth and experience over the theories of the hateful ....bravo and good luck with your strong marriage

Thank you

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

this cliched line is always trotted out unchallenged and imho it is generalized load of nonsense

i WOULD GUESS The majority of men love the strong woman...yes different people get intimidated or uncomfortable in different situations, but to say most men dont like strong women is a big fat lie....the strong matriarchical woman, the strong woman intelligent honest opnionated funny multi skilled is surely what most men seek?

when you meet a woman (or man) as a friend or work colleague , who has no opinions on anything , little to say or seems narcissistic, thats simply boring

but a strong woman is always fascinating...ill pluck famour strong women take jane fonda, princess diana, mother teresa, florence nightingale or the local matron at your hospitals....men adore these women....look at maggie thatcher? the male cabinet went home and worshipped her posters every night

the lie than men dont like strong women is a whole load of crap spreead by idiot tabloids tring to write poison , selling bile and trying to create more division between the sexes..

take deana tonight...Id guess the male viewers (and id guess probably women too) backed deana all the way...she stood her ground in a very difficult situation and she kicked ass....Im a fan , not just because shes pretty and elegant and not just because Im a red blooded male who the media likes to portray as all sex obsessed but because of her dignity, intelligence and good values under presure! thats why aaron secretly fancies deana more than sara, deana shows strength

Why is every one of your posts about sexism?

[patsylimerick]

Interesting thread.

Originally Posted by sampvt

In times of old when men ruled the house and women had no choice but to put up and shut up, we had 50yr plus marriages and happy kids that knew right from wrong. That scenario (GENERALLY, NOT ALLWAYS BUT MOSTLY) depicted strong men weak women.

Nowadays we have womens lib, strong girls and women standing up for their rights wanting to be men and wear the trousers, Lesbians on every corner looking like Charles manson and acting like Attila the Hun and female polititians running or ruining our country and what do we have ........... More divorces and single parent families you can shake a stick at. Give me the old days anyday.

Before you ask or slag me off, I met my wife when I was 14, engaged at 18, married at 19 and have been together happily for 40 yrs with 3 very well behaved and balanced kids who all have their own businesses and were raised in a male dominated home. None of them had as much as a paddle on their bums and they have their own kids reared the same and are all happy, but in saying that, they have loads of mates that are single with kids and behaviour problems. GO FIGURE

MEN MIGHT LIKE STRONG WOMEN BUT NEVER MARRY OR STAY WITH THEM LONG. fact.

Yeah, I know a few of those 40/50 year marriages. Indulge me while I talk about the ones I know for a couple of minutes.

Bitter, sad and lonely women who had no choice but to stay and oblivious, obtuse men with the narrowest of world views. Of course, the women were ACTUALLY the strong ones who took care of the kids, the house, the finances and all of the subtleties of life while the men worked all day, basically ignored their children and did eff all to contribute to the running if their home and family.

Originally Posted by InOne

I love strong women, makes them much more interesting.

I had a feeling you would. Good for you.

Originally Posted by Livia

I consider myself to be a strong woman. I work in a predominantly male environment and I have to be tough, it's just the way it is. I had a wonderfully happy marriage that ended suddenly and tragically. He was a strong man, a career soldier who treated me as an equal. I've never wanted for male attention, and to say men don't like strong women is just one of those wild generalisations put about by men who prefer their women barefoot and pregnant.

Absolutely spot on. I also work in a male-dominated environment and I think you and Niamh have hit the nail on the head; men who are themselves strong and don't need a subservient woman in their lives to prove themselves have no issue at all with strong women.

I've been married for 12 years and with my husband for 17 years; very, very happily married. Before that, I always ended up with older guys. A lot of the younger ones were terrified, I think.

[patsylimerick]

Sorry. Double post.

[rinkydinkpanther]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Interesting thread.



Yeah, I know a few of those 40/50 year marriages. Indulge me while I talk about the ones I know for a couple of minutes.

Bitter, sad and lonely women who had no choice but to stay and oblivious, obtuse men with the narrowest of world views. Of course, the women were ACTUALLY the strong ones who took care of the kids, the house, the finances and all of the subtleties of life while the men worked all day, basically ignored their children and did eff all to contribute to the running if their home and family.



I had a feeling you would. Good for you.



Absolutely spot on. I also work in a male-dominated environment and I think you and Niamh have hit the nail on the head; men who are themselves strong and don't need a subservient woman in their lives to prove themselves have no issue at all with strong women.

I've been married for 12 years and with my husband for 17 years; very, very happily married. Before that, I always ended up with older guys. A lot of the younger ones were terrified, I think.

too many women have been encouraged by the poison pens of radical feminists to prejudge all men and they get it hopelessly wrong in many cases. all people mus give others at least a fair chance before judging them. delighted you have a happy marriage

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

it is vital we all each one of us, look at each individual on merit. if equal opportunity is to work. it simply has to be equal on all sides. there is for example bias in marital law that sees women get custody 80% of the time in the Uk and win the right to keep the family home in over 80% of cases too....motherhood is not more important that fatherhood, until that i sset in stone in law then we will have an imbalanced british society and literally eberything will suffer....its not a trivial matter....any man, any father can wake up and lose his children, his home his lifetime savings and future income at any split second at the whim of his wife....it doesnt work the other way around....then the children (male and female suffer as do the granparents (male and female)

I agree with you 100%, family law badly needs updating imo, fathers don't have nearly enough rights when it comes to their children and it is very unfair.

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

this cliched line is always trotted out unchallenged and imho it is generalized load of nonsense

i WOULD GUESS The majority of men love the strong woman...yes different people get intimidated or uncomfortable in different situations, but to say most men dont like strong women is a big fat lie....the strong matriarchical woman, the strong woman intelligent honest opnionated funny multi skilled is surely what most men seek?

when you meet a woman (or man) as a friend or work colleague , who has no opinions on anything , little to say or seems narcissistic, thats simply boring

but a strong woman is always fascinating...ill pluck famour strong women take jane fonda, princess diana, mother teresa, florence nightingale or the local matron at your hospitals....men adore these women....look at maggie thatcher? the male cabinet went home and worshipped her posters every night

the lie than men dont like strong women is a whole load of crap spreead by idiot tabloids tring to write poison , selling bile and trying to create more division between the sexes..

take deana tonight...Id guess the male viewers (and id guess probably women too) backed deana all the way...she stood her ground in a very difficult situation and she kicked ass....Im a fan , not just because shes pretty and elegant and not just because Im a red blooded male who the media likes to portray as all sex obsessed but because of her dignity, intelligence and good values under presure! thats why aaron secretly fancies deana more than sara, deana shows strength

Absolutely spot on.:elepha nt:

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by rinkydinkpanther

this cliched line is always trotted out unchallenged and imho it is generalized load of nonsense

i WOULD GUESS The majority of men love the strong woman...yes different people get intimidated or uncomfortable in different situations, but to say most men dont like strong women is a big fat lie....the strong matriarchical woman, the strong woman intelligent honest opnionated funny multi skilled is surely what most men seek?

when you meet a woman (or man) as a friend or work colleague , who has no opinions on anything , little to say or seems narcissistic, thats simply boring

but a strong woman is always fascinating...ill pluck famour strong women take jane fonda, princess diana, mother teresa, florence nightingale or the local matron at your hospitals....men adore these women....look at maggie thatcher? the male cabinet went home and worshipped her posters every night

the lie than men dont like strong women is a whole load of crap spreead by idiot tabloids tring to write poison , selling bile and trying to create more division between the sexes..

take deana tonight...Id guess the male viewers (and id guess probably women too) backed deana all the way...she stood her ground in a very difficult situation and she kicked ass....Im a fan , not just because shes pretty and elegant and not just because Im a red blooded male who the media likes to portray as all sex obsessed but because of her dignity, intelligence and good values under presure! thats why aaron secretly fancies deana more than sara, deana shows strength

Absolutely spot on.:elepha nt:

[fruit_cake]

perhaps a new thread in the debates section could be started it's not really BB related imo.

edit: for the record I think people's ideal partners change depending on what age they are I know mine have

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

perhaps a new thread in the debates section could be started it's not really BB related imo.

edit: for the record I think people's ideal partners change depending on what age they are I know mine have

I'll actually move this whole thread to the debates section

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'll actually move this whole thread to the debates section

[Mystic Mock]

I can only say about myself but I like strong minded women.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by sampvt

In times of old when men ruled the house and women had no choice but to put up and shut up, we had 50yr plus marriages and happy kids that knew right from wrong. That scenario (GENERALLY, NOT ALLWAYS BUT MOSTLY) depicted strong men weak women.

Nowadays we have womens lib, strong girls and women standing up for their rights wanting to be men and wear the trousers, Lesbians on every corner looking like Charles manson and acting like Attila the Hun and female polititians running or ruining our country and what do we have ........... More divorces and single parent families you can shake a stick at. Give me the old days anyday.

Before you ask or slag me off, I met my wife when I was 14, engaged at 18, married at 19 and have been together happily for 40 yrs with 3 very well behaved and balanced kids who all have their own businesses and were raised in a male dominated home. None of them had as much as a paddle on their bums and they have their own kids reared the same and are all happy, but in saying that, they have loads of mates that are single with kids and behaviour problems. GO FIGURE

MEN MIGHT LIKE STRONG WOMEN BUT NEVER MARRY OR STAY WITH THEM LONG. fact.

so basically you're saying that women and children should be slaves to heterosexual men. because things just worked better that way? (totally forgetting the misery, and rape and torture they endure, because that doesn't matter as long as there's a low divorce rate, right) lovely.


By the same argument i could say that businesses made a lot more money when they forced black people to work for free, they made way more profits, and hell we can get a lot more done if you don't have to worry about silly things like health and safety, and labor laws!

so i guess you also think that enslaving black people was a good thing??

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i love strong women they can carry the shopping home.lol

They Can Sit On Me

[arista]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I LOVE strong women personally!!!!
Far more interesting and attractive than some mouse of a woman who doesn't know her own mind.

Very True

[arista]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Weak men hate strong women...FACT!

Strong Men
Love Strong Women



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