[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Perhaps because, y'know, it doesn't kill an animal in the process.

ic, so you find killing and eating meat very offensive, but you find PRETENDING to eat meat okay?

so you find the IDEA of eating meat okay...you acknowledge that meat tastes good and that it's delicious, you just don't want any of the guilt that goes along with it?

you never see any vegetarian food that advertizes "we don't taste like meat at all, we taste totally like vegetables!" lol

I just find it hilarious that vegetarian food is always trying to taste like meat. but vegetarians claim that eating meat is so repulsive, but they are buying food that claims to taste like meat.

[lostalex]

it really is hypocritical.

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? have you seen the rise of the French National Front? Marie Le Penn is a facist bitch. If you think that is good, well i'm not allowed to say what i think about that. They tried to sue Madonna. so ****** them. There is a very loud and popular racist uprising in France right now.

France is part of southern Europe now, imho.

So what? I don't hate all Austrians because of Hitler. They have a growing extreme right, so does most of Europe because of austerity. The rise of the right is a cyclical event that naturally happens.

We have the BNP, and you have the tea party, militias, John Birchers, McCarthyism, The minute men, and have far more racist people than every other western country. Doesn't make your whole population into fascists.

I don't want this to be a you vs us, as there are too many of those, but the right in Europe is not a serious long term issue.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

So what? I don't hate all Austrians because of Hitler. They have a growing extreme right, so does most of Europe because of austerity. The rise of the right is a cyclical event that naturally happens.

We have the BNP, and you have the tea party, militias, John Birchers, McCarthyism, The minute men, and have far more racist people than every other western country. Doesn't make your whole population into fascists.

I don't want this to be a you vs us, as there are too many of those, but the right in Europe is not a serious long term issue.

the tea party is not a political party. but since you mention it, didn't the UKIP win some seats this week? hmmm.

[Munchkins]

I only eat Chicken & Fish anyway, so it doesn't affect me, i don't touch any other meat

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

I only eat Chicken & Fish anyway, so it doesn't affect me, i don't touch any other meat

I'm with you. I've never been a fan of red meat myself.

Originally Posted by lostalex

the tea party is not a political party. but since you mention it, didn't the UKIP win some seats this week? hmmm.

The tea party is part of the republican party, and holds extreme influence over the country with hostage taking over debt limits/ sequestration. The tea party also holds the non-extremist members of the house hostage with threats of primaries.

UKip didn't win any seats, they just increased their vote.

[Munchkins]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm with you. I've never been a fan of red meat myself.

I find Red meat really really repulsive

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ic, so you find killing and eating meat very offensive, but you find PRETENDING to eat meat okay?

so you find the IDEA of eating meat okay...you acknowledge that meat tastes good and that it's delicious, you just don't want any of the guilt that goes along with it?

you never see any vegetarian food that advertizes "we don't taste like meat at all, we taste totally like vegetables!" lol

I just find it hilarious that vegetarian food is always trying to taste like meat. but vegetarians claim that eating meat is so repulsive, but they are buying food that claims to taste like meat.

...I think you're missing the point here and generalising vegetarians. I don't find people eating meat offensive. People can eat what they want and I'm never going to enforce my views on other people, and most vegetarians are like that, we just get a bad wrap in general thanks to peta and crazy online bloggers.

Yes, a vegetarian substitute such as Quorn is made to look and taste like meat, but the point in it is that no animal is killed in the production of the food and you're still getting protein and a lot of the nutrients found in meat. So yeah, in short "pretending to eat meat" is okay because it fulfils the vegetarian consensus that you're not eating an animal and I can't see the problem in that.

[Lee.]

I try and limit my red meat consumption to once a week, but man, nothing beats a fillet steak with a pepper sauce, onion rings and mushrooms fried in garlic!

Oh and my chilli burritos are the dogs danglies!

[Lee.]

Are you vegetarian James?

Originally Posted by Lee.

I try and limit my red meat consumption to once a week, but man, nothing beats a fillet steak with a pepper sauce, onion rings and mushrooms fried in garlic!

Oh and my chilli burritos are the dogs danglies!

T-bones are better, as you get extra flavor from the bones.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

T-bones are better, as you get extra flavor from the bones.

You know what, I've never tried a T bone before.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Are you vegetarian James?

Yup. For about 7 years now.

[Vanessa]

No, i don't think so. But not everyone likes it. My mum used to buy it sometimes.

[Niamh.]

There's nothing wrong with it as long as you know that's what you're getting beforehand I think

[lostalex]

If they are putting horse in our meat, imagine what they are putting in the vegetarian stuff

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I wonder why vegetarians eat things that look like and taste like meat. They buy "vegetarian sausages". Why are you buying and eating things that are trying to look like and taste like meat if you find meat so offensive??

They disagree with the way animals are treated/the processes. 'Free range' is only space bigger than an A4 size paper so even that's bad

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

They disagree with the way animals are treated/the processes. 'Free range' is only space bigger than an A4 size paper so even that's bad

but they don't disagree with the way meat tastes? lol

you don't see how that's incredibly hypocritical?

We totally LOVE how animal flesh tastes, We love the texture and flavor of animal meat, but we also think that eating animal flesh is barbaric and wrong!

[Livia]

I have a problem eating horsemeat. Horses are not bred for meat in this country, and I only eat locally produced meat. Animal-rearing practices in parts of Europe - especially Eastern Europe - are barbaric and I would rather not support it. Also, if something is labelled "beef" and it turns out to be horse, that's against the law.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have a problem eating horsemeat. Horses are not bred for meat in this country, and I only eat locally produced meat. Animal-rearing practices in parts of Europe - especially Eastern Europe - are barbaric and I would rather not support it. Also, if something is labelled "beef" and it turns out to be horse, that's against the law.

I respect your opinion. But i think you'd be shocked to learn the origins of everything else you eat and the practices of the companies that provide it to you. The Guardian did an interesting expose on the sources of organic Quinoa recently.

but i agree that the consumer does have a right to know what they are buying. We work hard for our money and we should have the right to know where it's going when we spend it.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but they don't disagree with the way meat tastes? lol

you don't see how that's incredibly hypocritical?

We totally LOVE how animal flesh tastes, We love the texture and flavor of animal meat, but we also think that eating animal flesh is barbaric and wrong!

Again, you're pigeon-holing every vegetarian. Not all vegetarians eat these substitute products, and those that don't like meat obviously won't eat the stuff that tastes like meat. Shocking stuff, I know.

Anyway, you seem to keep missing the point that these products that are made as a meat substitute don't involve killing an animal and there's nothing hypocritical about that. If they were a vegetarian and wore leather frequently (which tbh a lot of vegetarians do) then that would be hypocritical as that's going against their ethics.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Again, you're pigeon-holing every vegetarian. Not all vegetarians eat these substitute products, and those that don't like meat obviously won't eat the stuff that tastes like meat. Shocking stuff, I know.

Anyway, you seem to keep missing the point that these products that are made as a meat substitute don't involve killing an animal and there's nothing hypocritical about that. If they were a vegetarian and wore leather frequently (which tbh a lot of vegetarians do) then that would be hypocritical as that's going against their ethics.

i know. i'm just giving you a hard time. I think think veganism should be like religion, it should be a personal choice.

I don't have a problem with your beliefs, i just really wish you didn't act so damn righteous and judgemental about it.

If you want to save animals lives, fine, go out to some ranches and buy every cow you can, and then take care of that cow and feed it, and give it a good life.

But unless you are willing to go buy all these cows and give them a better life on a farm some where.. then shut up and stop harassing people that don't believe the same things you do.

PETA and religious christian freaks have a lot in common in my humble opinion.

GO BUY A COW IF YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH. No one's stopping you.

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i know. i'm just giving you a hard time. I think think veganism should be like religion, it should be a personal choice.

I don't have a problem with your beliefs, i just really wish you didn't act so damn righteous and judgemental about it.

If you want to save animals lives, fine, go out to some ranches and buy every cow you can, and then take care of that cow and feed it, and give it a good life.

But unless you are willing to go buy all these cows and give them a better life on a farm some where.. then shut up and stop harassing people that don't believe the same things you do.

PETA and religious christian freaks have a lot in common in my humble opinion.

GO BUY A COW IF YOU LOVE THEM SO MUCH. No one's stopping you.

Christ on a bike Alex you make such dumb statements sometimes I'm surprised you can still function.

I've never shoved my views in peoples faces. I'm just responding to completely ridiculous statements made by someone who obviously doesn't have a ****ing clue what they're talking about.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LemonJam

Christ on a bike Alex you make such dumb statements sometimes I'm surprised you can still function.

AHHhaha, i;m shocked too, everyday i wake up and i'm like, whoa, i'm still functioning. lol

In your FACE haters!