[Gypsy]

if rylan were interviewing him daley would knock his teeth out

[emmetmcl]

Is BOTS recorded tonight?

If so we'll probably get a very watered down interview

[smudgie]

I don't think he should be allowed his " right to reply"
He had his chance to explain himself in the dr.
BBOTS will do anything for viewing figures, having his girlfriend on the show proved that.
I like BBOTS but it is turning into a low budget version of The Jeremy Kyle show.

[CaudleHalbard]

There is a danger Daley could end up as being seen as the victim of unfair treatment and gain public sympathy.

But on balance I feel it's right he should be allowed to have his say when he is sober, rather than drunk.

Can't help feeling lawyers are behind this.

[user104658]

He will have had legal advice and they will have told him to say that it was role play that we t too far, that he didn't realise she was scared at the time but he does now, and that he's sorry.

Anything other than that would be absolutely awful PR for him.

I do also feel that it's mainly accurate... not sure if he really does think she was scared and he didn't realise, but the rest is true of what happened. Role play that went too far because of a build up oc testosterone and frustration. Whether she was scared or not though, it's right that he went... he took it "too far for TV", and should have realised that it was a step beyond most peoples comfort zone.

I dont know why people are so bothered that she hugged him afterwards, that she was allowed to go back to the room with him, etc... it's not like he tried to stab her. I believe that he scared her with his actions - that doesn't mean she's scared of him as a person or dislikes him. or that she was at any risk after they were called away.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

right that he went... he took it "too far for TV", and should have realised that it was a step beyond most peoples comfort zone.

I dont know why people are so bothered that she hugged him afterwards, that she was allowed to go back to the room with him, etc... it's not like he tried to stab her. I believe that he scared her with his actions - that doesn't mean she's scared of him as a person or dislikes him. or that she was at any risk after they were called away.

Well put.

"Too far for TV" is about right. I wouldn't be totally shocked if they got together for mag deals etc after Hazel is evicted.

Depends how far she wants to go with playing the victim. Her carefree demeanour today suggests not very far at all!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Well put.

"Too far for TV" is about right. I wouldn't be totally shocked if they got together for mag deals etc after Hazel is evicted.

Depends how far she wants to go with playing the victim. Her carefree demeanour today suggests not very far at all!

I don't think she sees herself as a victim or would want to play the victim role, to be honest. It wouldn't fit with what we've seen of her so far. So far she seems to have said "he has a different side to him I'm not sure about, he took something a bit too far and scared me" which is probably accurate. He HAS let a few strange attitudes slip before this happened; a bit jealous, a bit insecure, a bit controlling. And he did take it too far and showed another side of himself because, even if it was completely consentual role-playing, it was at least obvious that it's a role he LIKES to play and was very comfortable playing. Definitely didn't seem like he was treading new ground for him. Which as I've said in another thread, is fine between consenting adults... but, it does demonstrate that he enjoys consentual dominance over women which is a side of him we hadn't seen and something that not everyone is on board with.

I feel sorry for her really, she's on a but of a tightrope with the situation regarding her status in the house, the sort of person she sees herself as out of the house, and her true feelings on that matter. When they were announcing it it was like she wanted to pretend it wasn't happening and sweep it under the carpet. She does not want to come out of that house as "Hazel, victim of intimidation".

[LikeABoatOnWater]

I hope he doesn't smack her one

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

I hope he doesn't smack her one

#pray4emma

[rionablue]

Daley should in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM be granted an interview. He was booted out of the house in disgrace. I think walkers and people who are ejected from the house have no right to the limelite in this way and I am DISGUSTED that they are granting him an interview. Im willing to bet that he will lay blame at Hazels feet considering what he said about her before he left the house. VILE VILE VILE

[CaudleHalbard]

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

I agree, also the reason that a lot of people seem to rewrite history to suit whoever they're a fan of... it's a very "young" thing to do, to see a situation based on who your friends are, rather than look objectively even if it means saying that a friend (or in this case, a housemate you like) has done something wrong even if it's against someone you dislike.

I'm actually really enjoying this year because I'm NOT picking sides and I'm not a huge fan of any of them. it makes it much more interesting, seeing a whole unbiased range of motivations and things they're experiencing in there. Hazel is often fake and nasty, but that doesn't mean she never has a real emotion and doesn't deserve any empathy, at the end of the day she's just a person too.

I mean... I like Dexter a lot, I find him hilarious, but I wouldn't trust the little bugger as far as I could throw him! he's very open about being a manipulator... which is oddly endearing.

I dint like Dan much but I can see that it's just how he is, a bit bitchy, a bit paranoid and he has his good moments too. funnily enough even though he's older, he does play the "taking sides" game where his friends are automatically in the right always. He's quite immature in many ways.

I can come up with positives and negatives for all of them, which I haven't been able to do in previous years, as I always "picked a camp" and rooted for them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

I don't think you have any idea of the age profile of TiBB. And what's more, age doesn't always bring wisdom, sadly. I can tell you that in this case, from a legal point of view, it is very much a black and white issue. Clear cut and irrefutable thanks to the video evidence.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can tell you that in this case, from a legal point of view, it is very much a black and white issue.

This isn't quite accurate, there's plenty of legal scope for shades of grey here. That he was in the wrong is not disputable... however the fact that she was initially a willing participant would be taken into account in a court of law. Not making him "innocent", but probably resulting in a less harsh response than, say, if he had done and said the same things to someone who had been obviously intimidated from the start.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't quite accurate, there's plenty of legal scope for shades of grey here. That he was in the wrong is not disputable... however the fact that she was initially a willing participant would be taken into account in a court of law. Not making him "innocent", but probably resulting in a less harsh response than, say, if he had done and said the same things to someone who had been obviously intimidated from the start.

I can assure you that what I said was perfectly accurate. Being a "willing participant" in any form does not excuse him striking her, nor does it excuse him laying his hands on her in an aggressive way. Whether or not she was "obviously intimidated", it doesn't detract from the fact that he assaulted her.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can assure you that what I said was perfectly accurate. Being a "willing participant" in any form does not excuse him striking her, nor does it excuse him laying his hands on her in an aggressive way. Whether or not she was "obviously intimidated", it doesn't detract from the fact that he assaulted her.

I didn't say it excuses him, in fact I specifically said he was undoubtedly in the wrong, I was only saying that in terms of legality, it isn't black and white. In terms of whether or not it was assault, maybe it is, but in terms of any sentencing it would definitely be taken into consideration, and he would be less harshly punished.

I'm not sticking up for him or trying to vilify her - she didn't do anything wrong, they were just playing, and he should have stopped when she stopped beingcomfortae but he didn't. There's still no excuse for his actions. Just pointing out that saying its "black and white" in legal terms isn't accurate. Very few things are black and white in legal terms. Even murder isn't.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

Please advise how old everyone who subscribes to this forum is and how you deduce that opinion is age related?

I would say that in some cases spelling and grammar could be construed as age related on our forum - but not opinion.

When I am ninety I will still see and opine that an abusive man standing over a physically weaker woman and threatening her is a thug and his behaviour is therefore reprehensible. I would have said the same thing twenty years ago too. Where abuse is concerned there is no grey - it IS black and white if it happens. It happened - we saw it. He is so used to behaving in this way it does not even register with him that he is abusive. Did you watch the live feed when Hazel was outside and he gave her a countdown for coming back to him instead of "gossiping' outside? Did you notice his alter-ego takes over and talks in a different voice and barks what he is feeling?

I really don't see how my opinion can be age related...At any age he is a thug and an oik and sinisterly dangerous to be around.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

How old are you CH?

[Fosse]

Yes, he's a vile thug..wonder if he will take anything positive from his pointless month in the BB house.

[Raph]

I'm very happy to hear this. Whilst he clearly stepped over the mark, I hope he exposes Hazel for what she is on his interview tonight on BOTS. She deserved to be ejected just as much as he did.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Barker

I'm very happy to hear this. Whilst he clearly stepped over the mark, I hope he exposes Hazel for what she is on his interview tonight on BOTS. She deserved to be ejected just as much as he did.

Clearly not. Whatever you think she did, it wasn't assault. If she had done something to warrant being ejected, she would be out now.

[BCFCMike]

Originally Posted by Barker

I'm very happy to hear this. Whilst he clearly stepped over the mark, I hope he exposes Hazel for what she is on his interview tonight on BOTS. She deserved to be ejected just as much as he did.

What?!

Are you for real?

[susie q]

I hope that the audience get a chance to question him. After that he should just disappear
and not be allowed back to the panel, or any of the otherr events.

[Razor]

I hope she gives him a hard time.

[amu]

Lets hope this man gets a dignified exit. He deserved better than this.