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Livia · 16-07-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by steviebhoy

At least he'll get a chance to set the record straight!!!

Haha... yes. You mean he will have been briefed by the lawyers and the PR team about what to say. How he doesn't condone violence to women, that he was drunk, that he regrets it, that it was a moment of madness... I could write the bloody script myself.

He struck a woman and grabbed her round the threat telling her to "respect her elders" while the camera recorded it. Don't see what you're imagining he can "set straight".

CaudleHalbard · 16-07-2013, 01:03 PM

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

Fosse · 16-07-2013, 01:10 PM

Yes, he's a vile thug..wonder if he will take anything positive from his pointless month in the BB house.

user104658 · 16-07-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

I agree, also the reason that a lot of people seem to rewrite history to suit whoever they're a fan of... it's a very "young" thing to do, to see a situation based on who your friends are, rather than look objectively even if it means saying that a friend (or in this case, a housemate you like) has done something wrong even if it's against someone you dislike.

I'm actually really enjoying this year because I'm NOT picking sides and I'm not a huge fan of any of them. it makes it much more interesting, seeing a whole unbiased range of motivations and things they're experiencing in there. Hazel is often fake and nasty, but that doesn't mean she never has a real emotion and doesn't deserve any empathy, at the end of the day she's just a person too.

I mean... I like Dexter a lot, I find him hilarious, but I wouldn't trust the little bugger as far as I could throw him! he's very open about being a manipulator... which is oddly endearing.

I dint like Dan much but I can see that it's just how he is, a bit bitchy, a bit paranoid and he has his good moments too. funnily enough even though he's older, he does play the "taking sides" game where his friends are automatically in the right always. He's quite immature in many ways.

I can come up with positives and negatives for all of them, which I haven't been able to do in previous years, as I always "picked a camp" and rooted for them.

Raph · 16-07-2013, 01:36 PM

I'm very happy to hear this. Whilst he clearly stepped over the mark, I hope he exposes Hazel for what she is on his interview tonight on BOTS. She deserved to be ejected just as much as he did.

Livia · 16-07-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

I don't think you have any idea of the age profile of TiBB. And what's more, age doesn't always bring wisdom, sadly. I can tell you that in this case, from a legal point of view, it is very much a black and white issue. Clear cut and irrefutable thanks to the video evidence.

Livia · 16-07-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barker

I'm very happy to hear this. Whilst he clearly stepped over the mark, I hope he exposes Hazel for what she is on his interview tonight on BOTS. She deserved to be ejected just as much as he did.

Clearly not. Whatever you think she did, it wasn't assault. If she had done something to warrant being ejected, she would be out now.

joeysteele · 16-07-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Haha... yes. You mean he will have been briefed by the lawyers and the PR team about what to say. How he doesn't condone violence to women, that he was drunk, that he regrets it, that it was a moment of madness... I could write the bloody script myself.

He struck a woman and grabbed her round the threat telling her to "respect her elders" while the camera recorded it. Don't see what you're imagining he can "set straight".

I 100% agree with all you say Livia, of course it will be that old excuse in the main, I was drunk as if that should ever be a valid excuse for anything,never mind actually assaulting someone and further saying they will 'finish them' or that they will 'nut them'.

I am not expecting this to be a particularly good interview and frankly see no reason why it should even be done either.

Cherry Christmas · 16-07-2013, 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=joeysteele;6174364]I 100% agree with all you say Livia, of course it will be that old excuse in the main, I was drunk as if that should ever be a valid excuse for anything,never mind actually assaulting someone and further saying they will 'finish them' or that they will 'nut them'.

I am not expecting this to be a particularly good interview and frankly see no reason why it should even be done either.[/QUOTE]

They gave his girlfriend a platform, they have to give him the right to reply, it would be fairly biased otherwise, even those who commit the most henious of crimes get the right to defend themselves. I'm looking forward to seeing him squirm I must admit.

susie q · 16-07-2013, 02:12 PM

I hope that the audience get a chance to question him. After that he should just disappear
and not be allowed back to the panel, or any of the otherr events.

user104658 · 16-07-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I can tell you that in this case, from a legal point of view, it is very much a black and white issue.

This isn't quite accurate, there's plenty of legal scope for shades of grey here. That he was in the wrong is not disputable... however the fact that she was initially a willing participant would be taken into account in a court of law. Not making him "innocent", but probably resulting in a less harsh response than, say, if he had done and said the same things to someone who had been obviously intimidated from the start.

Razor · 16-07-2013, 02:16 PM

I hope she gives him a hard time.

joeysteele · 16-07-2013, 02:19 PM

[QUOTE=Cherie;6174394]

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I 100% agree with all you say Livia, of course it will be that old excuse in the main, I was drunk as if that should ever be a valid excuse for anything,never mind actually assaulting someone and further saying they will 'finish them' or that they will 'nut them'.

I am not expecting this to be a particularly good interview and frankly see no reason why it should even be done either.[/QUOTE]

They gave his girlfriend a platform, they have to give him the right to reply, it would be fairly biased otherwise, even those who commit the most henious of crimes get the right to defend themselves. I'm looking forward to seeing him squirm I must admit.

Hi Cherie,personally, I think he lost his right to reply by his actions in the house. However I can take what you say on board too and like you said it will be interesting to see him squirm,if he does.

Samuel. · 16-07-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

I hope he doesn't smack her one

#pray4emma

mr rochester · 16-07-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tregard

Seems like a bad idea, ejected housemates should be removed from the show entirely :/

I completely agree ! He has disgraced himself - he clearly had no idea he was being abusive so why give the thug a voice? It is totally irrelevant what he thinks about being sent home - we saw the film. Why support men like this and give them a platform? Ten to one his GF takes him back and he will somehow make this whole thing her fault and she will be found in a heap somewhere after he smashes her to bits. H should be arrested NOT invited onto TV programmes. He had his day - made a total idiot of himself and now what...Has Emma been given a bodyguard? What is wrong with this production team?

Ramsay · 16-07-2013, 02:29 PM

i hope when she introduces him, no one claps or boos..just silence

mr rochester · 16-07-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It is unfortunate that so many TiBB members see things in black and white terms, i.e. it's all one person's fault or the other's.

I guess it's a consequence of the age profile on here- heavily weighed towards the lower end of the scale.

The world is not black and white, as many will eventually learn. You could almost say it is........ 50 shades of grey!

Please advise how old everyone who subscribes to this forum is and how you deduce that opinion is age related?

I would say that in some cases spelling and grammar could be construed as age related on our forum - but not opinion.

When I am ninety I will still see and opine that an abusive man standing over a physically weaker woman and threatening her is a thug and his behaviour is therefore reprehensible. I would have said the same thing twenty years ago too. Where abuse is concerned there is no grey - it IS black and white if it happens. It happened - we saw it. He is so used to behaving in this way it does not even register with him that he is abusive. Did you watch the live feed when Hazel was outside and he gave her a countdown for coming back to him instead of "gossiping' outside? Did you notice his alter-ego takes over and talks in a different voice and barks what he is feeling?

I really don't see how my opinion can be age related...At any age he is a thug and an oik and sinisterly dangerous to be around.

Fosse · 16-07-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by steviebhoy

Not for me it hasn't, the fact that BB allowed him to go stay and stay WITH Hazel until the following morning leaves a lot unanswered in my opinion,

The selective editing and Daley's reaction in the DR to the 'aggressive' behaviour also leads me to believe there is more to it!!

How else can you edit? Tautology much?

The video speaks volumes.

amu · 16-07-2013, 02:52 PM

Lets hope this man gets a dignified exit. He deserved better than this.

dyfed · 16-07-2013, 03:08 PM

I agree he went way too far and should have been evicted from the show ,but I do feel Hazel stepped over the mark by pulling down his shorts and should have lost being saved from eviction.

mr rochester · 16-07-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dyfed

I agree he went way too far and should have been evicted from the show ,but I do feel Hazel stepped over the mark by pulling down his shorts and should have lost being saved from eviction.

Yes - she should have had to relinquish her right to being safe as a punishment for her behaviour and also to make it a more level playing field for the others - however - HIS behaviour was entirely reprehensible and she made no contribution to that whatsoever. She was trying to be playful (but she is not famous for her good judgement calls...)

snail69 · 16-07-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think you have any idea of the age profile of TiBB. And what's more, age doesn't always bring wisdom, sadly. I can tell you that in this case, from a legal point of view, it is very much a black and white issue. Clear cut and irrefutable thanks to the video evidence.

I think it's pretty clear of the age profile of this forum. All you have to do is read most of the posts and how they are structured to be able to see that.

I also wouldn't say it's clear cut or irrefutable or everyone would share the same opinion.

Rylan said himself last night that he's watched the whole thing several times but still can't decide if it was malicious or not.

To be honest I don't even know where I stand about the whole thing but I do believe he should be able to have his say.

I can't get my head around someone being terrified yet they proceed to share cuddles and a room with the person that terrified them. Surely if she was terrified she would have asked to be separated??

I ain't condoning his behaviour but at the same time plenty of women out there do enjoy a bit of rough during foreplay or indeed during sex.

Nobody on this forum is really in the position to say that it wasn't this but it was that because none of us know the truth. Not the real truth, only two people do!

BCFCMike · 16-07-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barker

I'm very happy to hear this. Whilst he clearly stepped over the mark, I hope he exposes Hazel for what she is on his interview tonight on BOTS. She deserved to be ejected just as much as he did.

What?!

Are you for real?