[Vanessa]

She was a Luke Friend fan. Her Christmas present was to see Luke live in Dublin.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She was a Luke Friend fan. Her Christmas present was to see Luke live in Dublin.

This is very offensive.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I've heard of peanut allergies before, but I never thought it was that serious.

It's a really sad story, shame that it took this for the mom the realise that she should have been carrying around this injection all along. And again it was pretty reckless to overlook the -this product contains nuts - warning.

Hopefully people and children who get diagnosed with this in the future will be better informed.

..yeah, some are extremely serious, Claudia...at school, children with nut allergies can't eat their lunch on the same table with anyone who has something like a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch...it happened once because no one was aware the child had the sandwich filling and the 'nut allergy' had an instant and extreme reaction...we did have an epi-pen though, which we used and then he was taken to hospital...he was ok but it was very scary...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

This is very offensive.

From the Luke Friend appreciation thread on Digital Spy :

A tiny post in memory of 14 year-old Emma whose Christmas present was X Factor tour tickets to Dublin. She was a fan of Luke and would have been excited about seeing him come to town, I wonder if she knew? I weep for her that she didn't have the opportunity to see Luke perform live. Her death had nothing to do with being a Friendie. Isn't it sad Luke has one fan less due to rules and regulations:

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, some are extremely serious, Claudia...at school, children with nut allergies can't eat their lunch on the same table with anyone who has something like a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch...it happened once because no one was aware the child had the sandwich filling and the 'nut allergy' had an instant and extreme reaction...we did have an epi-pen though, which we used and then he was taken to hospital...he was ok but it was very scary...

A girl at my friends daughters school just died from a huge allergic reaction to nuts, so sad.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

From the Luke Friend appreciation thread on Digital Spy :

A tiny post in memory of 14 year-old Emma whose Christmas present was X Factor tour tickets to Dublin. She was a fan of Luke and would have been excited about seeing him come to town, I wonder if she knew? I weep for her that she didn't have the opportunity to see Luke perform live. Her death had nothing to do with being a Friendie. Isn't it sad Luke has one fan less due to rules and regulations:

Thanks.

Context is always nice.

[Z]

My cousin has a peanut allergy. As far as I know he doesn't have an epi-pen in case he eats something with nuts in it, I wonder if it's common for people with nut allergies to not really take it seriously?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, some are extremely serious, Claudia...at school, children with nut allergies can't eat their lunch on the same table with anyone who has something like a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch...it happened once because no one was aware the child had the sandwich filling and the 'nut allergy' had an instant and extreme reaction...we did have an epi-pen though, which we used and then he was taken to hospital...he was ok but it was very scary...

We have to seperate one of our children too but thankfully nothing has ever happened at my work. Are you epipen trained? I am and it's crazy up see how quickly it can happen.

I think the mother should have carried the epipen at all times really.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Thanks.

Context is always nice.

I'm sorry. Your tragic loss is greater than the run-of-the-mill cancer deaths, which occur every day.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild

We have to seperate one of our children too but thankfully nothing has ever happened at my work. Are you epipen trained? I am and it's crazy up see how quickly it can happen.

I think the mother should have carried the epipen at all times really.

You would think so if your child had that serious of an allergy. Still though I think If I worked at a pharmacy and someone was dying on my doorstep, I'd just hand it over tbh

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Niazareth

You would think so if your child had that serious of an allergy. Still though I think If I worked at a pharmacy and someone was dying on my doorstep, I'd just hand it over tbh

i agree but i very much doubt he knew her prescription and im not too sure whether the mum said it herself. he could have killed her himself if he 'guessed' and got it wrong so i think he just did what he thought was best.

i know you'd just hand over the medicine, anyone would... but I don't think it is as simple as handing over a simple prescription. Maybe it takes 10 - 15 minutes to make. who knows?

for someone to blame the pharmacist is totally wrong. There's many things wrong with the healthcare system atm and this isn't one of them. This pharmacist will probably blame himself for life now.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild

We have to seperate one of our children too but thankfully nothing has ever happened at my work. Are you epipen trained? I am and it's crazy up see how quickly it can happen.

I think the mother should have carried the epipen at all times really.

..yeah, virtually everyone in the school is epipen trained because we have quite a few allergies, although not all of them have serious reactions..and actually, not all of them have epipens...we've had a few random allergies as well when not even the parents were aware of them until it happened, so there were no epipens etc...luckily they've all been ok though, but it is pretty scary to see it all happening so quickly...and the feeling of complete helplessness when a child/someone can't breathe..I guess that's why I can't understand this story and the pharmacist because, you would try anything to help them if you could because it's obvious with a serious allergic reaction that time is a big factor...but I guess I also understand that they wouldn't have wanted to take responsibility for something going wrong so it is a difficult one...just not a position you want to be put into really...poor girl and her family though, just one of those very tragic things....

[Jords]

Im sorry but the pharmacist is a ****ing idiot. I wonder what their reaction would have been if the 14 year old had stumbled in by herself begging for an epipen? Send her out the door all the same and watch her collapse by herself?

That pharmacist should have had an idea by that girl's reaction what she was suffering of and the extent of it. Following rules straight to the end is NOT always the answer! Its just the easiest option and look at the result of it.

Careless.

[Ammi]

..yeah, I do know what you mean, Jords...but I think it's probably become such a culture of serious repercussions if someone makes an error, that maybe people have become too wary of even trying, which is so very sad...and as much as it's an 'ideal' thought to think that people would just act on instinct and try to help, regardless of rules etc..they do also have to think of themselves/their families etc and the possible repercussions/effects it could have on them if they got it wrong....I don't know if that's what it was but...yeah...really sad...

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, I do know what you mean, Jords...but I think it's probably become such a culture of serious repercussions if someone makes an error, that maybe people have become too wary of even trying, which is so very sad...and as much as it's an 'ideal' thought to think that people would just act on instinct and try to help, regardless of rules etc..they do also have to think of themselves/their families etc and the possible repercussions/effects it could have on them if they got it wrong....I don't know if that's what it was but...yeah...really sad...

In my opinion they were not doing their job properly, they should have had some idea on the severity and acted upon it appropriately i.e. give the girl the bloody epipen!

Im so shocked at this, and if they use "I was just doing my job" then they are an even bigger idiot because that would suggest to me if the exact same scenario took place theyd act in the exact same manner i.e. letting people die!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Elf Ears

In my opinion they were not doing their job properly, they should have had some idea on the severity and acted upon it appropriately i.e. give the girl the bloody epipen!

Im so shocked at this, and if they use "I was just doing my job" then they are an even bigger idiot because that would suggest to me if the exact same scenario took place theyd act in the exact same manner i.e. letting people die!

...hmmm, having personally witnessed this sort of fast allergic reaction before, I'm not really sure about this..which sounds a bit 'fence-sitting' but I think that I'm generally a bit of a sceptic with stories like this in that if it happened to my child, I don't think one of the first things I would do is to talk to the media..which is not to say everyone reacts the same to things but I think that I would just like to know more about it/if there is more to the story...if her daughter didn't show any/many symptoms at the time/the hospital was close by/and it was all just tragically miscalculated...?...

[Z]

There are just so many factors in this scenario that we aren't aware of because all we have is the word of the mother, who is obviously grieving, probably still in shock over what happened and, at the risk of sounding insensitive, is looking for somebody to blame for what happened because she didn't have her daughter's epi-pen on her to save her life.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

There are just so many factors in this scenario that we aren't aware of because all we have is the word of the mother, who is obviously grieving, probably still in shock over what happened and, at the risk of sounding insensitive, is looking for somebody to blame for what happened because she didn't have her daughter's epi-pen on her to save her life.

totally agree

and the fact that epi-pens don't come ready made... he cant just whip up an epi-pen that is perfectly suitable for her age/weight/height etc. she could have gotten to the hospital quicker than the time it would take him to make the antidote

[Livia]

The moral of this story surely has to be, take your epi-pen with you. Have a friend with as severe nut allergy and he doesn't leave home without his.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

The moral of this story surely has to be, take your epi-pen with you. Have a friend with as severe nut allergy and he doesn't leave home without his.

exactly... we have two epi-pens for the same child at my work. Every single member of staff is epi-pen trained. I don't think its fair to blame the pharmacist at all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild

exactly... we have two epi-pens for the same child at my work. Every single member of staff is epi-pen trained. I don't think its fair to blame the pharmacist at all.

I'm with you on that. Actually, I didn't know about the dosage, and every pen being different until I read your post... I've never thought about it before even though it's kind of obvious. If the pharmacist had handed one over and the girl had died because the dosage was wrong, he/she would still have been in the wrong.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm with you on that. Actually, I didn't know about the dosage, and every pen being different until I read your post... I've never thought about it before even though it's kind of obvious. If the pharmacist had handed one over and the girl had died because the dosage was wrong, he/she would still have been in the wrong.

exactly. its a horrible situation either way and no matter what would happen, he'd get the blame

surely if the reaction was that bad, you'd just take them to the hospital

[Z]

I feel sorry for the mother but I'm just a bit taken aback that the girl ate satay sauce, they didn't have her epi-pen with them and she didn't immediately realise that it was a peanut based sauce... that's what it tastes of!!

[Ninastar]

we always seem to agree <3

we make a great threesome

[Z]

Originally Posted by MarysBoyChild

we always seem to agree <3

we make a great threesome

We're going to have to work Livia's name into Zeenastar