[arista]

Originally Posted by starry

The issue is actually being warned over it, which is stupid. It's just picking and choosing which prejudicial comments are aired and warned over. It's CH5 making an issue of something to generate more controversy and it's treating it like a kid's show where we are told some prejudices are ok and others aren't.

They can **** off. It's reality TV supposedly, so show it warts and all.

It would be the same on Ch4 as well.

TV has to censor Extreme views, its normal

[starry]

Originally Posted by arista

It would be the same on Ch4 as well.

TV has to censor Extreme views, its normal

They censor what prejudices they want a controversy over and think aren't fashionable and turn a blind eye to others. That itself is a prejudice.

[Jack_]

He wasn't warned. This misconception is annoying me now because the transcripts and clips are available for everyone to see.

He was merely reminded of the rules and that what he said could potentially be offensive to some viewers. It's the exact same conversation that his agent would have had with him if he could, because you can't say stuff like that on a national TV show in the UK. Not only do C5 have a brand to protect but it's social suicide, and hence such a reminder was to be expected and was also justified.

But he wasn't given any kind of official formal warning.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He wasn't warned. This misconception is annoying me now because the transcripts and clips are available for everyone to see.

He was merely reminded of the rules and that what he said could potentially be offensive to some viewers. It's the exact same conversation that his agent would have had with him if he could, because you can't say stuff like that on a national TV show in the UK. Not only do C5 have a brand to protect but it's social suicide, and hence such a reminder was to be expected and was also justified.

But he wasn't given any kind of official formal warning.

that clip was Edited
We do not Know if he was warned - to be fair Jack
but he got Told Off in the Edit we viewed

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He wasn't warned. This misconception is annoying me now because the transcripts and clips are available for everyone to see.

He was merely reminded of the rules and that what he said could potentially be offensive to some viewers. It's the exact same conversation that his agent would have had with him if he could, because you can't say stuff like that on a national TV show in the UK. Not only do C5 have a brand to protect but it's social suicide, and hence such a reminder was to be expected and was also justified.

But he wasn't given any kind of official formal warning.

he was warned. big brother used the word warn when telling him. that means he was warned. end of.

[Niamh.]

I think it's very unhelpful for a man in his position to be airing those views so publicly. I don't understand the need for people with these views to share them with others, I really don't, I mean why hurt people for no reason? He's not gay so couldn't possibly know what it feels like to be gay or "know" that people choose to be gay. Other peoples sexuality doesn't effect him anyway so why be a dick to a group of people that don't even effect him?

[sampvt]

OH FFS, do we need to have another thread like this. There was 529 hits on the other one that got closed because it was becoming a straight bashing exercise and an argument about whether he got warned ort not. The clip we saw was edited, so he may have been warned (IN WORDS OF OFFICIALDOM) off camera and what he said was off the cuff and has been discussed to death. OK he might be a bit of a homophobe but that's his world.

Last time I looked, gays on tv like Alan Carr and the like, say things 10 times worse all the time. Vegans have extreme views on meat eaters, Greenpeace has extreme views on world affairs and the planet and people with gender issues are very verbal against people that don't sing their tune. There is a bit of a difference between a statement of intent and an innocuous comment between friends. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to even broach the subject of gay issues on here due to the large imbalance and the added shield of PC immunity on here, so I guess we will have to live with it but to pillory the man for what he said is wrong. He should have been advised to tone it down. In my book he was neither better nor worse than the comments made by the tart about finger bashing. However on here it seems to be virtually impossible to discuss gay issues rationally so we need to sideline it as an expression fo an opinion that went out of control. But he was warned so he now knows.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by sampvt

OH FFS, do we need to have another thread like this. There was 529 hits on the other one that got closed because it was becoming a straight bashing exercise and an argument about whether he got warned ort not. The clip we saw was edited, so he may have been warned (IN WORDS OF OFFICIALDOM) off camera and what he said was off the cuff and has been discussed to death. OK he might be a bit of a homophobe but that's his world.

Last time I looked, gays on tv like Alan Carr and the like, say things 10 times worse all the time. Vegans have extreme views on meat eaters, Greenpeace has extreme views on world affairs and the planet and people with gender issues are very verbal against people that don't sing their tune. There is a bit of a difference between a statement of intent and an innocuous comment between friends. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to even broach the subject of gay issues on here due to the large imbalance and the added shield of PC immunity on here, so I guess we will have to live with it but to pillory the man for what he said is wrong. He should have been advised to tone it down. In my book he was neither better nor worse than the comments made by the tart about finger bashing. However on here it seems to be virtually impossible to discuss gay issues rationally so we need to sideline it as an expression fo an opinion that went out of control. But he was warned so he now knows.

Erm...I think my original post is very open minded and not one sided and was intended to get people to actually discuss it and not throw insults like the last one.

The post I see a forum member denying he said certain comments is just ridiculous.

Im all for freedom of speech and I wanted to hear more of the conversation to be honest I was genuinely interested in what he had to say.

Surely you must understand being compared to a handicap and saying we are wrong could cause insult?

Hes a devout Christian from a black community in America who are very passionate about the Bible to a point they seem slightly brainwashed by it.

I am not "wrong" or a "handicap" neither do I need to be fixed.

I think people are more angry because even though it was an apparent opinion he was preaching it and forcing his opinion as fact.

Heres some of the things he said, it wasn't really an *in my opinion I think....Which would have made it a lot better as the words he said WERE homophobic.

"That ain't normal"

"If you were born and your leg were turned this way - what would you do? You go to the doctor and get it fixed back right?"

"All I'm trying to tell you, you know how handicap people are born?"

"You can’t say because they are born that way you can’t move that..."

"Yes it is a choice,"

In regards to Luisa I don't think she didn't want to talk about it because he may get into trouble, I think she thinks it will put her in the firing line to face eviction as they are chained up together.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm...I think my original post is very open minded and not one sided and was intended to get people to actually discuss it and not throw insults like the last one.

The post I see a forum member denying he said certain comments.

Im all for freedom of speech and I wanted to hear more of the conversation.

Surely you must understand being compared to a handicap and saying we are wrong could cause insult?

Hes a devout Christian from a black community in America who are very passionate about the Bible to a point they seem slightly brainwashed by it.

I am not "wrong" or a "handicap" neither do I need to be fixed.

he didnt say its a handicap
also how would you like it if someone said youd been brainwashed to be gay? just as you say the Christian in the US seem to be brainwashed?
this works both ways

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt say its a handicap
also how would you like it if someone said youd been brainwashed to be gay? just as you say the Christian in the US seem to be brainwashed?
this works both ways

Yes it does work both ways

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

he didnt say its a handicap
also how would you like it if someone said youd been brainwashed to be gay? just as you say the Christian in the US seem to be brainwashed?
this works both ways

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

As i pointed out last night ,sometimes being gay is a choice

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Being gay isn't a choice.

Being a Christian is.

again thats no less offensive that what evander said.
total judgemental assumptions stereotyping billions of people.
yet stereotyping and insulting groups of people is something you preach about/
totla hypocrisy
maybe its you whos been brainwashed?

[Niamh.]

Sam, it's a good discussion and I don't see why people shouldn't be able to talk about it with insulting other members.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sam, it's a good discussion and I don't see why people shouldn't be able to talk about it with insulting other members.

Im not insulting anyone nor do I infer than discussions are not allowed, I simply intimated that this is an extension of the other thread that got out of control and there was very little left to say as tempers were flared and fall outs happened. God knows how I will ever get Jack to love me now as my label of Paper boy seems to have stuck on him and he may have a contract on me now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Im not insulting anyone nor do I infer than discussions are not allowed, I simply intimated that this is an extension of the other thread that got out of control and there was very little left to say as tempers were flared and fall outs happened. God knows how I will ever get Jack to love me now as my label of Paper boy seems to have stuck on him and he may have a contract on me now.

I didn't say you were insulting anyone Sam (although was there really a need to bring Jack into a discussion between me and you?) I meant the last thread was closed because people became insulting, maybe we could try and talk about one of the biggest stories of last nights show without getting personal with eachother this time

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't say you were insulting anyone Sam (although was there really a need to bring Jack into a discussion between me and you?) I meant the last thread was closed because people became insulting, maybe we could try and talk about one of the biggest stories of last nights show without getting personal with eachother this time

I brought Jack into this room as he is already in it. Also it was a bit of levity and not malice.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I brought Jack into this room as he is already in it. Also it was a bit of levity and not malice.

Ok but we need to stick to the discussion rather then other forum members, that way threads don't get closed

[Ammi]

..I do think it is quite an interesting discussion to have because it was just said in a 'matter of fact' conversation way and yet it's obviously a homophobic view and I don't think it's an 'age' thing at all but a religious thing...

[Tom4784]

Evander's entitled to his opinion just like we're entitled to rip it apart.

He's an incredibly ignorant person but I don't think he's a bad guy, I'm not supporting him any more though.

[Scream]

May I just say the people who are saying he's not an eloquent speaker are talking crap...

Firstly, just because you aren't very fluent in a language doesn't mean it's acceptable to speak about people in the way he did otherwise people would be using that as an excuse all the time.

Also, i'm sure he knows what handicapped and not normal means...he's not thick.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Scream

May I just say the people who are saying he's not an eloquent speaker are talking crap...

Firstly, just because you aren't very fluent in a language doesn't mean it's acceptable to speak about people in the way he did otherwise people would be using that as an excuse all the time.

Also, i'm sure he knows what handicapped and not normal means...he's not thick.

but its ok to egenralize that all american Christians may be brainwashed? double standards

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

but its ok to egenralize that all american Christians may be brainwashed? double standards

Agree totally

[Jordan.]

Why are people so opposed to him being warned? he deserved it for his homophobic comments.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Why are people so opposed to him being warned? he deserved it for his homophobic comments.

I think daniels posts on this thread are far more discriminatory than anything evander said