[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'We patrol the city – centre from 10pm – 3am every Friday night, and we commit to being part of the team at least once a month.
We work in pairs and walk around the busy areas of the city wearing our hi – vis jackets. We build relationships with doorstaff, police and medical teams, and chat with people who are out and about.
We carry resources which help people out such as flip flops & water bottles, we give directions, help to reunite people with friends and/or possessions and aim to help people get home safely at the end of the night.
In particular we care for those who may have become vulnerable in the nightlife for any number of reasons.'

In other words sweet FA

[Kizzy]

How is that sweet FA, IF you get a girl off the floor and in a taxi home is that not something?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How is that sweet FA, IF you get a girl off the floor and in a taxi home is that not something?

What girl, where?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What girl, where?

Now your just being silly.

[Livia]

I find the name a little self-indulgent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If their parents are fine with them going out and getting back in one piece that should be sufficient. Just who are they targeting and what do they think about todays youth?

I mean handing out flipflops is about as sickeningly happy clappy as I have heard.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find the name a little self-indulgent.

Ghetto Grannies was taken

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If their parents are fine with them going out and getting back in one piece that should be sufficient. Just who are they targeting and what do they think about todays youth?

I mean handing out flipflops is about as sickeningly happy clappy as I have heard.

Parents... now who's coming across as a hand wringer?
I would still consider it worthwhile, I appreciate you don't.

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What the feck are you on about? To link that poor girls death to some point about SA is ridiculous


I question if they are helping anyone. Who decides if someone is drunk? Do they want help, do they want some middle aged berk telling them about some made up claptrap about some god who will help them but watch 20,000 children die of hunger 365 days a year?

Its just too silly and is more about assuaging their christian guilt than helping anyone

in my opinion

No it's not. If there were sober people about in the early hours of the morning whose job is specifically to make sure people who are too drunk to look after themselves get home in one piece, there's every chance deaths like that one could have been avoided. Yes, they are helping people. If somebody can barely stand up without support and has no idea where they are, they're evidently going to need help getting home. What happens when there's no one to help them? Why do you assume it's a "middle aged berk telling them up some made up claptrap about god"? Why isn't it a group of young people looking out for other young people and just making sure they get home? You're confusing religious preaching with assisting drunk people in getting home. Why does it bother you so much if somebody's doing it for their own Christian beliefs? If it helps them sleep at night and helps someone else get home at night then I don't really see what the issue is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Parents... now who's coming across as a hand wringer?
I would still consider it worthwhile, I appreciate you don't.

Im not having a go at you Kizzy but having seen these people in action I just question the need and motive. How do they select who to help, what is the real reason for them doing this at silly o'clock at the weekend?

We have police and ambulances for the real problems and everyone else just goes home, its a system that has worked for many years. They see young people drinking as corrupt and in need of saving .

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If their parents are fine with them going out and getting back in one piece that should be sufficient. Just who are they targeting and what do they think about todays youth?

I mean handing out flipflops is about as sickeningly happy clappy as I have heard.

Not everyone is an 18 year old going out on the town for the first time, living at home with their parents. Bad things can happen to you when you're drunk regardless of your age. Falling into the road and being hit by a car; falling off a bridge; getting into a fight; being sexually assaulted - the list goes on and on. They are targeting drunk people, you know perfectly well what the point of this is. If somebody's parents are fine with them going out and getting back in one piece, that's fine, but that doesn't always happen. Having a team of people looking out for potentially dangerous situations and making sure they don't happen is a good thing in my opinion. It's got nothing to do with judging "today's youth" and everything to do with safety. They could just as easily be looking out for a 40 something year old guy who's been in the pub and had way too much to drink, maybe he's been chucked out of the pub.

As for the flip flops thing - that would be for young women who wear high heels to clubs and then their feet hurt so they take their shoes off when they're walking around town and risk stepping in broken glass, vomit etc. You're being obtuse for the sake of it.

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Im not having a go at you Kizzy but having seen these people in action I just question the need and motive. How do they select who to help, what is the real reason for them doing this at silly o'clock at the weekend?

We have police and ambulances for the real problems and everyone else just goes home, its a system that has worked for many years. They see young people drinking as corrupt and in need of saving .

They want to help. Is that so hard to believe? They don't "select" people like it's some complicated process, it's just having pairs of fresh eyes patrolling the town making sure that people are okay. I've been assaulted twice by drunk people, neither times were my fault, both times were on main streets in the city centre. The police can't be everywhere. The police deal with crimes, not people who've had too much to drink, unless they're being problematic. A girl slumped in a doorway isn't going to be as pressing an issue to the police as the fight breaking out up the road - but an opportune mugging, rape, or even murder could just as easily occur as soon as the police pass that girl by. "Street Angels" are looking out for people, that's all there is to it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zee

Not everyone is an 18 year old going out on the town for the first time, living at home with their parents. Bad things can happen to you when you're drunk regardless of your age. Falling into the road and being hit by a car; falling off a bridge; getting into a fight; being sexually assaulted - the list goes on and on. They are targeting drunk people, you know perfectly well what the point of this is. If somebody's parents are fine with them going out and getting back in one piece, that's fine, but that doesn't always happen. Having a team of people looking out for potentially dangerous situations and making sure they don't happen is a good thing in my opinion. It's got nothing to do with judging "today's youth" and everything to do with safety. They could just as easily be looking out for a 40 something year old guy who's been in the pub and had way too much to drink, maybe he's been chucked out of the pub.

As for the flip flops thing - that would be for young women who wear high heels to clubs and then their feet hurt so they take their shoes off when they're walking around town and risk stepping in broken glass, vomit etc. You're being obtuse for the sake of it.

Ok so define for me a drunk person? Do you mean someone in the actual gutter or do you mean someone swaying a little, or do you mean someone who looks a bit to one side or so you mean someone who is walking down the street with a traffic one on their head...what?

and how do you know that about women's feet?

I am not being obtuse I am just not agreeing with you so keep personal stuff out of the thread.

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ok so define for me a drunk person? Do you mean someone in the actual gutter or do you mean someone swaying a little, or do you mean someone who looks a bit to one side or so you mean someone who is walking down the street with a traffic one on their head...what?

and how do you know that about women's feet?

I am not being obtuse I am just not agreeing with you so keep personal stuff out of the thread.

Someone in the gutter. Not someone who's clearly capable of walking, getting into a taxi and going on their way. There's a binge drinking problem in the UK and if you step into the city centre of any city in the UK at night you're likely to see people who are completely incapable of handling their drink.

Common sense.

I'm not being personal, I'm explaining exactly what these people do and you're deliberately trying to find flaws with something that just simply isn't flawed whatsoever. These aren't religious preachers trying to convert people to Christianity while they're drunk. They're just a group of people looking after people who need to be looked after.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Im not having a go at you Kizzy but having seen these people in action I just question the need and motive. How do they select who to help, what is the real reason for them doing this at silly o'clock at the weekend?

We have police and ambulances for the real problems and everyone else just goes home, its a system that has worked for many years. They see young people drinking as corrupt and in need of saving .

Everyone else doesn't just go home though, some people get so drunk when they are out at the weekends they end up coming up of clubs and pubs and lying in the street throwing up and this isn't just young people so these street angels could help get them into a taxi and home and then police don't need to waste precious time escorting them back to the stations for the night and then ending up charging them with a d&d, girls go out to a club wearing impossibly high heeled shoes and then when they are drunk can't walk on them so the flip flops idea is a pretty good one, saves them walking home barefoot and standing on glass, nails and who knows what else.

I don't agree with getting so messed up on alcohol that you can't look after yourself, get home etc but a lot of people do it every week so even though I still think like I posted previously that there are dangers involved in volunteering for this king of thing, it still is a pretty good idea to help people that are worse for wear.

[MTVN]

I'm amazed its something anyone would voluntarily do but fair play to them for it, even if you think its a bit silly so what really, not like people will be forced to take their help so I dont see the problem

Rather be accosted by a street angel than someone looking to stick me in the drunk tank

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Everyone else doesn't just go home though, some people get so drunk when they are out at the weekends they end up coming up of clubs and pubs and lying in the street throwing up and this isn't just young people so these street angels could help get them into a taxi and home and then police don't need to waste precious time escorting them back to the stations for the night and then ending up charging them with a d&d, girls go out to a club wearing impossibly high heeled shoes and then when they are drunk can't walk on them so the flip flops idea is a pretty good one, saves them walking home barefoot and standing on glass, nails and who knows what else.

I don't agree with getting so messed up on alcohol that you can't look after yourself, get home etc but a lot of people do it every week so even though I still think like I posted previously that there are dangers involved in volunteering for this king of thing, it still is a pretty good idea to help people that are worse for wear.

I dont really think the girls that you are alluding too will be happy wearing flip flops when they are pissed and coming out of a club nor do I think that an untrained "street christian" should be trying to deal with mortally drunk men - that is a job for a pro and not some do-gooder.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm amazed its something anyone would voluntarily do but fair play to them for it, even if you think its a bit silly so what really, not like people will be forced to take their help so I dont see the problem

Rather be accosted by a street angel than someone looking to stick me in the drunk tank

Drunk tanks are a good idea and it would probably do you good

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont really think the girls that you are alluding too will be happy wearing flip flops when they are pissed and coming out of a club nor do I think that an untrained "street christian" should be trying to deal with mortally drunk men - that is a job for a pro and not some do-gooder.

Well I think you are wrong in those thoughts I'm afraid, and I'm pretty sure a lot of girls would be grateful for those flip flops rather than stumble home drunk in bare feet walking on who knows what.

And referring to them as untrained street Christians is ridiculous, they are probably shown how to deal with the more common scenarios before going out onto the street and you don't have to be a Christian to volunteer as I'm sure you are perfectly aware since it's already been pointed out in the thread.

[Vicky.]

I think its bloody disgraceful that people cant just watch what they drink and end up in such a state that people like this are needed. Its not hard to stop, you know when you have had too much, so just...stop drinking instead of keep going til you pass out/vomit

It sounds a decent enough idea but you wouldnt catch me dead doing this tbh. I work with drunks and know how damn nasty they can get in an instant. No way would I be doing it for free. No doubt you will get a massive headache if you knock one of them out when they go for you...its just not worth it

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm amazed its something anyone would voluntarily do but fair play to them for it, even if you think its a bit silly so what really, not like people will be forced to take their help so I dont see the problem

Rather be accosted by a street angel than someone looking to stick me in the drunk tank

yes but the Drunk Tank
is a Shock
and it helps you improve

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think its bloody disgraceful that people cant just watch what they drink and end up in such a state that people like this are needed. Its not hard to stop, you know when you have had too much, so just...stop drinking instead of keep going til you pass out/vomit

It sounds a decent enough idea but you wouldnt catch me dead doing this tbh. I work with drunks and know how damn nasty they can get in an instant. No way would I be doing it for free. No doubt you will get a massive headache if you knock one of them out when they go for you...its just not worth it

Yes I blame the parents

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well I think you are wrong in those thoughts I'm afraid, and I'm pretty sure a lot of girls would be grateful for those flip flops rather than stumble home drunk in bare feet walking on who knows what.

And referring to them as untrained street Christians is ridiculous, they are probably shown how to deal with the more common scenarios before going out onto the street and you don't have to be a Christian to volunteer as I'm sure you are perfectly aware since it's already been pointed out in the thread.

Yes and as I pointed out you dont have to be christian to go to church but when you are there you will not be surprised to find that its a wee teeny bit religious

The amount of girls who walk home in bare feet amid the vomit and broken glass of you and Zee's imaginary city must be minuscule (I have only seen this in films)

and you say they are shown how to deal with the common scenarios? by who - a priest, members of the guild, the head of Beavers?

My point is that in principle it sounds good but in practice its just a token gesture and the morality is highly suspect.

and the name stinks as L said

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

yes but the Drunk Tank
is a Shock
and it helps you improve

Good call A

common sense at last

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont really think the girls that you are alluding too will be happy wearing flip flops when they are pissed and coming out of a club nor do I think that an untrained "street christian" should be trying to deal with mortally drunk men - that is a job for a pro and not some do-gooder.

Many girls I know take flat shoes in their handbags with them on nights out to change into at the end of the night. Girls wear high heels to look good, not for comfort - when you're not so steady on your feet, you need comfortable shoes to walk in. Clearly you don't see the point in the concept but many others have been able to point out the benefits of having such a team. There are no disadvantages.