[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

All I'm saying MM&I,some guys talk like that,I didn't say it was right,but they do,walk past any building site etc,and you can hear how some men see women,its just a fact,but most of these men are probably really nice in their own relationships.

...hmmm, I'm not really sure that I understand that analogy..even if it was 'accepted' as ok with the building site thing ..those guys are commenting on a 'faceless' female that walks by and just on her physical appearance and giving it a 'rating'..?..whereas when Marlon made those comments about Kimberley, he had spent time with her, talked to her, got to know her a bit etc..and I think he even has said something about her intriguing him or something..?..yet he still spoke about her so openly and disrespectfully...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Shaun

it doesn't really matter how she delivers her views, because ultimately she's suggesting that it's because women aren't good enough that men are allowed to do it. i can see how that's a foggy area because she could of course be speaking from an observer's view but to me she seemed more... at peace with this being a social norm, rather than critical

i mean add it on to the views on divorce/gay marriage and you have a pretty weird cookie

and to throw in a spanner, i don't think anything she's saying is genuine and she's part of this whole Dexter Koh... i'll sell anything to the papers, just tell me what to say... generation. so I don't know what I think about her

..I agree, I don't think she's being genuine about her views and is just throwing stuff out there to be controversial because she knows it'll probably get shown in the HL show...I think she's probably one of the most media savvy people in there..I'm not sure though whether for me that isn't worse in a way because no matter how much I may disagree with her views on things, if they were genuine I would respect them and why she has them but this just kind of 'mocks' the fact that some people actually do think how she's 'pretending' to think...and that for me is a huge disrespect for females and much worse than Marlon, who at least (I think..)..has genuine views on females, even though I think they're the most immature and disrespectful views....

[Cherry Christmas]

I really don't mind Danielle even if they are made up views she is not doing anyone any harm, she is as mad as a box of frogs, and totally contradicts herself every 5 minutes but I find it very hard to dislike her.

[ChristmasNeeve]

For me Danielle is worse because she is a women and should know better than that

[ChristmasNeeve]

And also, I agree with Shaun that she probably doesn't even think that way at all, going on what we know about her outside the house, so that makes it even worse

[Kizzy]

There's that word again.... Nobody has been misogynistic, they have both said things that could be considered sexist.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Misogyny can be defined as a prejudice against women so yeah, I think it could be applied here