[rionablue]

Originally Posted by smeagol

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

Sméagol I appreciate your contributions to all the threads cos that's what they are about but could you use different terms my pet. Some of your posts are very crude ( and I can use vile terms also but not as bad as you do)

[rionablue]

My opinion ( for what its worth) is that Helen should never have been put in the house in the first place. I think she has far far too many issues and I wonder if she had never had that dalliance with Rooney would she ever have made the final cut for the house. In the past women who had dalliances with footballers or some kind of scandalous affairs have appeared in CELEBRITY big brother (though god knows what makes them a celebrity)

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Being kicked out of the family home and being persecuted by the public is excuse enough for me to be slightly unstable.

So if she was a man who beat up his wife and blamed it on being kicked out of his family home and persecuted by the public I am hoping you would think that his past would not justify his actions now , because as an adult we have the gift of reasoning and the intelligence to understand how are actions impact on the people around us, and so seeing your wife black and blue should be reason enough not to want to hit her again.There is no excuse to be mean and cruel.

[smeagol]

i feel sorry for hitler he must of had a hard upbringing. poor guy. and rolf harris another victim of a bad life.
of course people are never just bad people cause they are bad people lol

i dont get some peoples logic. so you get broke go be a prostitute earn some cash and suddenly its poor you. then you can do and say what you like and blame it on that lol
so someone is broke they mug some poor old lady and we are meant to think aww poor mugger he must of had a hard life. lol
crazy thinking. people are bad cause they want to be. no other reason.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Sméagol I appreciate your contributions to all the threads cos that's what they are about but could you use different terms my pet. Some of your posts are very crude ( and I can use vile terms also but not as bad as you do)

crude rude nude all is gude

[kistar]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

At least these women have a way of earning money and getting themselves out of debt I think that's quite empowering , being on benefits as a single parent with 5 kids would be worse , no way of earning extra money no way of paying an extra bill if it comes through the door .

[kistar]

Originally Posted by smeagol

i feel sorry for hitler he must of had a hard upbringing. poor guy. and rolf harris another victim of a bad life.
of course people are never just bad people cause they are bad people lol

i dont get some peoples logic. so you get broke go be a prostitute earn some cash and suddenly its poor you. then you can do and say what you like and blame it on that lol
so someone is broke they mug some poor old lady and we are meant to think aww poor mugger he must of had a hard life. lol
crazy thinking. people are bad cause they want to be. no other reason.

All the above!!!!!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

I'm sure plenty of women do enjoy being prostitutes but there's also many that don't, some do it to feed their addictions, some do it because they are forced to, to pay of debts, I could go on but you seriously think those women would be having a ball? also Helen said in an article that she was getting £40 at one point..£40 for giving your body to a stanger would definitely have a negative impact on some womens lives.

So no I don't think it's a very big assumption that being a prostitute could leave her hatefull and bitter. You are also making an assumption that all prostitutes are living the high life with footballers from watching a tv show about it.

But she did it because she chose to Josy. She could have gotten a regular job or went on a training course and get paid while doing it. That's what most women do when they have a child to support.
My mother was deserted by my father and she had 2 young children to support all on her own with no maintenance. She worked in a factory for 10 hours a day 6 days a week to clothe and feed us and pay for child care because she wouldn't have earned enough as a shorthand typist (which she was trained for) to support us.
Helen took the easy way out. That was her choice and nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't make other people suffer because she regrets it.
But why assume if it was prostitution that has made her like she is - maybe she would be the same anyway. It seems her parents couldn't handle her as a child - long before she became a prostitute.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kistar

At least these women have a way of earning money and getting themselves out of debt I think that's quite empowering , being on benefits as a single parent with 5 kids would be worse , no way of earning extra money no way of paying an extra bill if it comes through the door .

I agree with all that but stand by my opinion that prostitution could potentially leave a women feeling angry and bitter, I'm not saying Helen is btw and i'm definitely not saying that her past justifies her behaviour in the house in anyway.

Originally Posted by jet

But she did it because she chose to Josy. She could have gotten a regular job or went on a training course and get paid while doing it. That's what most women do when they have a child to support.
My mother was deserted by my father and she had 2 young children to support all on her own with no maintenance. She worked in a factory for 10 hours a day 6 days a week to clothe and feed us and pay for child care because she wouldn't have earned enough as a shorthand typist (which she was trained for) to support us.
Helen took the easy way out. That was her choice and nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't make other people suffer because she regrets it.
But why assume if it was prostitution that has made her like she is - maybe she would be the same anyway. It seems her parents couldn't handle her as a child - long before she became a prostitute.

Oh I know she chose to do it Jet and I actually posted that nearer the beginning of the show in another thread, I think Helen chose the easy way out to pay off the little amount of debt she said she had and I also said I admire the women that go out and work a proper job to earn a living for their family rather than someone that turns to prostitution.

I am no way defending Helen at all in this thread btw, I was just replying to the queston in the OP that I think being a prostitute could leave you 'broken' and I personally think it's a fair assumption to make.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kistar

So if she was a man who beat up his wife and blamed it on being kicked out of his family home and persecuted by the public I am hoping you would think that his past would not justify his actions now , because as an adult we have the gift of reasoning and the intelligence to understand how are actions impact on the people around us, and so seeing your wife black and blue should be reason enough not to want to hit her again.There is no excuse to be mean and cruel.

Don't throw up loads of bizarre hypotheticals... let's just stick to talking about helen eh?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

I agree with all that but stand by my opinion that prostitution could potentially leave a women feeling angry and bitter, I'm not saying Helen is btw and i'm definitely not saying that her past justifies her behaviour in the house in anyway.



Oh I know she chose to do it Jet and I actually posted that nearer the beginning of the show in another thread, I think Helen chose the easy way out to pay off the little amount of debt she said she had and I also said I admire the women that go out and work a proper job to earn a living for their family rather than someone that turns to prostitution.

I am no way defending Helen at all in this thread btw, I was just replying to the queston in the OP that I think being a prostitute could leave you 'broken' and I personally think it's a fair assumption to make.

I agree that it is a fair assumption. But I don't see Helen as 'broken'. Broken people don't usually have the energy or the inclination to go through a lengthy audition process for BB which requires determination and then go into the house with all guns blazing and giving the impression that they are 'all that'. Broken people don't have the confidence to gather a court around them nor the confidence to think they can mock and bully people and then say 'That's just me, I tell it like it is'. That's the way an arrogant person operates. I thinks she's an angry person who is inherently nasty, and like you pointed out, bitter. Life didn't work out the way she wanted so others can suffer for it.

[Lister of Smeg]

Well we can safely say that somethings broken

[jet]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

Well we can safely say that somethings broken

Yes, her "Other people have feelings too and its not all about me" gene.

[Kizzy]

You know when it becomes obvious that there is someone who is truly affected and disturbed by events from their life them being on big brother and being torn apart suddenly feels like pulling the legs off a spider.....

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.

[Ellen]

[QUOTE=Vanessa;6999238]She seems like a strong woman to me, but yes. She was definetely affected by it. I think counselling might help her.[/QUOTE

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Agree with this and also think Helen goes on the attack when she thinks people are looking down on her which probably comes from her past.

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Helen goes on attack when she's had a few glasses of wine........

When did Jale ever look down on her? What did she do to deserve to be labelled a slug?

She has admitted she was wrong and apologized.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by smeagol

there is no excuses no justification , some people are just born bad.
she was a hoe since early teens by the sound of it. she comes from normal parents with good jobs she hasn't had a hard life at all .
she just likes sausage and crack and was born with evil in her vains

Agree with this. She's a c**nt the fact she an ex ***** didnt help but its not the reason why she's a c**nt

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She has admitted she was wrong and apologized.

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

I don't agree.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't agree.

With what?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With what?

I think she's defensive, because of her past. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Neither of us will budge.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think she's defensive, because of her past. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Neither of us will budge.

Calling people slugs for no reason and ostrasizing them from the "popular" kids is a defense mechanism? Ok then

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Calling people slugs for no reason and ostrasizing them from the "popular" kids is a defense mechanism? Ok then

I'm all for discussions, but in this case there's no point. We will never agree on this. Better leave it at that.