[kefln]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nevermind a nightmare at school, a nightmare at anywhere.... what a foul mouthed, rude, hypocritical bully she is. Shame we had to listen to her for the entirety of the series, i would have liked to have seen how the dynamics would have shifted had she gone a while back

Actually I'm kind of glad she didn't get kicked out. Simply because we've gotten to watch how a real aggressive person works. It all goes back to who she argues with and how.

I find it amusing how Helen tiptoes around a much younger girl, half her size, who rarely raises her voice.

You can only be a bully when the target is afraid. Ashleigh isn't afraid. Helen stays away.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nevermind a nightmare at school, a nightmare at anywhere.... what a foul mouthed, rude, hypocritical bully she is. Shame we had to listen to her for the entirety of the series, i would have liked to have seen how the dynamics would have shifted had she gone a while back

So true. Overpowering, empty vessels and squeaky wheels get all the attention. We've waited weeks for Christopher to come out of his shell. Had Helen, the gob on a stick, gone early on things could have been so different.

Something else I thought was quite telling about her, having been away from her kid for the whole summer, is she planning something great when she gets out? No. She's planning a trip to Ibiza with her mates.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

She articulates things as well as anyone else in the house. She's tactless though, and aggressive. When people say she would have been a nightmare at school, they're right. Most people have had a Helen in their life at one time or another, and it's not been a pleasant experience. Frankly I'm amazed that she's got any support at all.

The loud and the rude will always have a following.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kefln

The loud and the rude will always have a following.

That is not why I like her,but then again I don't suppose people are interested in that side,no need for the back handed insults either!!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Helen has said on many occasions she is wrong,she sometimes doesn't articulate things too well,but usually there is truth as to what she says,that is my opinion anyway.

Come on, the only time that's happened was when she got pulled for her behaviour by big brother.

An instance of her vileness could be seen last night when Ashleigh and chris explained what they were actually talking about when Helen half heard from the toilet. now remember how Helen reacted to this even getting an apology from a confused chris.

Point is, Helen didn't even offer an apology when it was explained to her that they were actuall giving reasons as to why they had actually come round to liking her.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite being younger, Ashleigh is far more mature than Helen. I'm so tired of hearing Helen's droney voice banging on and on, never for a moment thinking that there's an outside possibility that she may be wrong about anything.

Helen claims she's "honest" and "tells it like it is". What that actually translates to in the real world is that she's rude, tactless and doesn't know when to shut tf up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite being younger, Ashleigh is far more mature than Helen. I'm so tired of hearing Helen's droney voice banging on and on, never for a moment thinking that there's an outside possibility that she may be wrong about anything.

Helen claims she's "honest" and "tells it like it is". What that actually translates to in the real world is that she's rude, tactless and doesn't know when to shut tf up.

That was beautiful :')

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That was beautiful :')

Made me LOL...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite being younger, Ashleigh is far more mature than Helen. I'm so tired of hearing Helen's droney voice banging on and on, never for a moment thinking that there's an outside possibility that she may be wrong about anything.

Helen claims she's "honest" and "tells it like it is". What that actually translates to in the real world is that she's rude, tactless and doesn't know when to shut tf up.

CHRISTOPHER BIGGENS GOT IT RIGHT ON LAST NIGHT BOTS SHOW...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes for weeks and weeks now our girl Ashleigh has been taking the royal wee out of Helen.

Ever since dannielle left Ashleigh instead of going in her shell like most thought, she has actually upped her game and called Helen out for her behaviour both to her face and in tasks as well as behind her back to chris.

Our Ashleigh has given her chance after chance because that's the nice type she is, yet Helen cant see past herself to realise that Ashleigh is humouring her and finds her,like most of the public, disgusting,rude and threatening, but still Ashleigh like a deserved winner shows Helen up time and time again for what she really is.

Not once has Helen been as aggressive to Ashleigh as she threatens to be in the safety of her sad coven, no, she poops a bit and stutters and pauses her way through her confrontation that Ashleigh so brilliantly sets up to happen.


Ashleigh for the win, Helen for the bin.

Ashleigh is a smart girl. She seems to be able to read the situation like a book.

Helen isn't smart and she'll only pick on people that are defenseless. She said it herself, Ashleigh is in a very strong position. Everyone in the house knows it. So Helen is keeping the ****** away from her. No matter what the girl says.

Last nights episode had two "fights". The first was between Ashleigh and Helen. It was quiet, controlled and in private. The others, sitting outside, were dying to hear what was being said.

The second was between Helen, and co, versus Chris. Public, loud, cursing, not letting Chris finish a sentence.

Compare the two. Who had the upper hand in each situation? Who is the dominant female?

Just to compound the point, who did Helen go to before the second fight? Before anything was said outside, she explained herself to Ashleigh.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kefln

Ashleigh is a smart girl. She seems to be able to read the situation like a book.

Helen isn't smart and she'll only pick on people that are defenseless. She said it herself, Ashleigh is in a very strong position. Everyone in the house knows it. So Helen is keeping the ****** away from her. No matter what the girl says.

Last nights episode had two "fights". The first was between Ashleigh and Helen. It was quiet, controlled and in private. The others, sitting outside, were dying to hear what was being said.

The second was between Helen, and co, versus Chris. Public, loud, cursing, not letting Chris finish a sentence.

Compare the two. Who had the upper hand in each situation? Who is the dominant female?

Just to compound the point, who did Helen go to before the second fight? Before anything was said outside, she explained herself to Ashleigh.

She wasn't so smart reading that book of lets get Ash out,was she?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She wasn't so smart reading that book of lets get Ash out,was she?

She got Ash up. It was the public lacking in smarts.

Ashleigh can't control the votes.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She wasn't so smart reading that book of lets get Ash out,was she?

You mean the week that she openly said that she wanted to get Ash nominated and he was? That week was it?

[Mick]

One thing I have wondered about Helen......Does she behave in this way at her Business premises and if so does she have any customers.?

The age difference and life experience should have worked against Ashleigh yet every time she has bested Helen.The Evil plan was not evil she used her mind not her mouth.

This was the moment when Helen realised she had met her match and Ashleigh has owned her good and proper ever since.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Mick

One thing I have wondered about Helen......Does she behave in this way at her Business premises and if so does she have any customers.?

A business is a business. She wouldn't act the same way in front of her customers.

But I can't imagine what she'd be like to live near. Could you imagine having a drunken loud mouth shout obscenities at you on a regular basis?

Originally Posted by Mick

The age difference and life experience should have worked against Ashleigh yet every time she has bested Helen.The Evil plan was not evil she used her mind not her mouth.

This was the moment when Helen realised she had met her match and Ashleigh has owned her good and proper ever since.

It comes down to the type of person that they are, and intelligence has to be come into it.

[bots]

Don't think Ashleigh owns Helen at all. In an artificial environment like BB, people can appear stronger/better than they really are.

There is a lot about Helen's character that is not pretty, and some of it is downright ugly, but I have also seen other sides to her character that make her very appealing and endearing, believe it or not. So, I would say, very conflicted character, but most certainly not the vile beast that many portray her as.

Ashleigh wears a mask of acceptability most of the time, in contrast to Helen, I have seen moments where her character has been ugly but because her usual face is more acceptable, people warm more to Ashleigh than Helen.

I think both would be a nightmare to live with, but if I had to choose between them, it would be Helen every time

[kefln]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Don't think Ashleigh owns Helen at all. In an artificial environment like BB, people can appear stronger/better than they really are.

There is a lot about Helen's character that is not pretty, and some of it is downright ugly, but I have also seen other sides to her character that make her very appealing and endearing, believe it or not. So, I would say, very conflicted character, but most certainly not the vile beast that many portray her as.

Ashleigh wears a mask of acceptability most of the time, in contrast to Helen, I have seen moments where her character has been ugly but because her usual face is more acceptable, people warm more to Ashleigh than Helen.

I think both would be a nightmare to live with, but if I had to choose between them, it would be Helen every time

Everyone wears a mask. Thats normal. Its completely natural to complain about those that we dislike. Its completely not acceptable to shout people down and hurl insults at people.

I know who I prefer, based entirely on how they have conducted themselves in the house.

[Brother Leon]

What have you been watching?


Ashleigh has been firmly up her arse to her face and even when Helen has called her out on stuff she's been too terrified to respond properly..Christopher is the one who stood up to her properly.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

What have you been watching?


Ashleigh has been firmly up her arse to her face and even when Helen has called her out on stuff she's been too terrified to respond properly..Christopher is the one who stood up to her properly.

When was the last "argument" that Helen had, where she felt aggrieved, where others had to strain their ears to hear what was being said.

After watching Ashleigh bitch the first time Helen ranted and raved, in private, but said nothing to her face. She only tackled Ashleigh after hearing crowd boos the following week. Since then all signs to the HMs have shown Ashleigh to be popular, and again Helen has avoided tackling her.

Says it all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

What have you been watching?


Ashleigh has been firmly up her arse to her face and even when Helen has called her out on stuff she's been too terrified to respond properly..Christopher is the one who stood up to her properly.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

What have you been watching?


Ashleigh has been firmly up her arse to her face and even when Helen has called her out on stuff she's been too terrified to respond properly.

Fantasy world. Again.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

What have you been watching?


Ashleigh has been firmly up her arse to her face and even when Helen has called her out on stuff she's been too terrified to respond properly..Christopher is the one who stood up to her properly.

Agreed.

I think we and a few others watch a completely different show each night going by the huge differences in opinion

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Agreed.

I think we and a few others watch a completely different show each night going by the huge differences in opinion

Yes, you do. Ashleigh has never been "up Helen's arse" and it's absurd to think she has.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes for weeks and weeks now our girl Ashleigh has been taking the royal wee out of Helen.

Ever since dannielle left Ashleigh instead of going in her shell like most thought, she has actually upped her game and called Helen out for her behaviour both to her face and in tasks as well as behind her back to chris.

Our Ashleigh has given her chance after chance because that's the nice type she is, yet Helen cant see past herself to realise that Ashleigh is humouring her and finds her,like most of the public, disgusting,rude and threatening, but still Ashleigh like a deserved winner shows Helen up time and time again for what she really is.

Not once has Helen been as aggressive to Ashleigh as she threatens to be in the safety of her sad coven, no, she poops a bit and stutters and pauses her way through her confrontation that Ashleigh so brilliantly sets up to happen.


Ashleigh for the win, Helen for the bin.

Are you watching the same show as me ? because not ONCE has Ashleigh stood unto Helen

[kefln]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Are you watching the same show as me ? because not ONCE has Ashleigh stood unto Helen

And yet Helen avoids face to face confrontation with her. Wonder why that is...