[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think the unfortunate truth is that they're all pretty awful people... As I think, unfortunately, only certain types of person go for a place in BB now.

The most ironic thing about the Helen / Ashleigh split is that they have EXACTLY the same personality type. Give Ashleigh a baby and have her turn to prostitution, fast forward 10 years, dye her hair and... That's Helen. Helen is an older, jaded, and yet more down to earth Ashleigh.

Neither of them are good people.

The only half "decent" person in there is actually Ash. He's literally the ONLY one I've seen much genuine emotion from over the entire series: be that having fun and laughing about things that everyone else is getting worked up about, or the way that he was visibly gutted when he realised Winston was really gone - with no ulterior motive. Just genuinely sad about it. He also is the only one who seems to be genuinely happy when they're all getting along, and disappointed when it falls apart... And was the only one of ash/helen/Winston who was even vaguely remorseful about the breakout thing.

Basically he seems like a normal, friendly guy who went there to have a laugh but got sucked into a very negative series. Even as recently as last week he seemed genuinely keen for everyone to get along, when the rest were just paying lip service, and were simply looking for an excuse to end the ceasefire... Because they're happier sniping at each other. All of them.

And yet, I don't think he'd be a "worthy" winner... Because he's simply not been strong enough a character.

That is the most insightful comment I have read on here.

I see all of the same things - I wonder if it takes someone over the age of say 25 to see what Ashleigh is likely to turn into one day? Of course she is not worried about money right now - - she has never had to really take care of herself independently or anyone else. Thats not her fault its just her age.

But she can bitch - yet never really to anyone's face. She has done nothing to deserve all this "fan boy" rubbish - nothing amazing at all- she has not really comforted or cared for anyone- i really do not get it - just being Helens enemy shouldn't make her a winner- she hardly stopped Helen or taught Helen anything - what a waste of time- but maybe the viewers who are her age relate to her?? and her being the same age as them is enough for them to go over the top supporting her. She really is just very 'meh'

And it is really hard to 'like' any of them. The 'power' theme was so negative this year.

[Lwize]

Sorry, I'm not drinking Helen's Koolaid...

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

I did a total U turn on Helen and yes I have warmed to her in recent weeks. I don't like Chris and Ashleigh and I liked both of these housemates at the start. I do like Chrisopher and would like him Helen or Ash to win.

[mrflibble]

Chris is a normal person though. He's not a big budget film star. He's done a few bit parts in small indie films and short films. Winston is someone who is more noticeable as an actor since he's been on TV shows that people watch. He's more a struggling actor than a working actor, tbf. Although I agree that I'd rather totally regular people over the types in the show these days.

[JTM45]

I remember Helen saying stuff about Ashleigh's skin and her having spots and she slagged off her hair several times saying it looked like straw.
She was really stretching to try and find anything though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I remember Helen saying stuff about Ashleigh's skin and her having spots and she slagged off her hair several times saying it looked like straw.
She was really stretching to try and find anything though.

..oh thanks, I couldn't recall but yeah, those are specifics about someone's appearance and Ashleigh has obviously got teenage acne so that would be a sensitivity..I'm not saying that calling someone ugly based on their appearance is right either but if I recall, she was referring to how Helen looked when she was going off on one....

[Ammi]

..I personally also think that personalities/unpleasant ones can strip people of their physical beauty..I'm sure people who don't like Ashleigh feel that as well, it's the inside shining through because that's the true beauty of someone....and they don't 'look' the same to you anymore...

[tanussa]

I'm like u, I thought helen was really horrible at the. beginning, but as series has gone on u can tell she honest, sincere and i know who I would rather have in my corner between her and ashleigh, ashleigh doesnt care one bit for.the various HMs who have been supposedly close to her in the house just uses them as support.

[Ammi]

..it's funny how we see things differently..(the beauty of it..)..because if I was to choose someone 'in my corner'..it wouldn't be someone who shrieks insults and abuse at people who may not like me or whatever...if I wanted for that to happen and felt it was acceptable then I would do it for myself....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's funny how we see things differently..(the beauty of it..)..because if I was to choose someone 'in my corner'..it wouldn't be someone who shrieks insults and abuse at people who may not like me or whatever...if I wanted for that to happen and felt it was acceptable then I would do it for myself....

Yes, have to agree with that, why anyone would want someone bleating, swearing and refusing to listen "in their corner" is beyond me... I'd be horrendously embarrassed. I'd probably end up telling her to pipe down... And then she'd turn on me and get bitchslapped (metaphorically, with words, of course... Not condoning physical violence)

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, have to agree with that, why anyone would want someone bleating, swearing and refusing to listen "in their corner" is beyond me... I'd be horrendously embarrassed. I'd probably end up telling her to pipe down... And then she'd turn on me and get bitchslapped (metaphorically, with words, of course... Not condoning physical violence)

Ash has managed to get on with her without any issues. In my opinion, Ash is highly underrated, rather than making a drama and a crisis out of everything, he just quietly gets on with people. A lesson to be learned there I think.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ash has managed to get on with her without any issues. In my opinion, Ash is highly underrated, rather than making a drama and a crisis out of everything, he just quietly gets on with people. A lesson to be learned there I think.

Absolutely right.
I think he is massively underrated,he has been a calming element in the house and aprt from some early misguded quotes,I do't think he has said or done anything really unpleasant since,despite having good reason to do so.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ash has managed to get on with her without any issues. In my opinion, Ash is highly underrated, rather than making a drama and a crisis out of everything, he just quietly gets on with people. A lesson to be learned there I think.

Ash is very emotionally stable, as shown when none of them bought the "angry ash" task at all. He wasn't even being very angry, just moaning about t-shirts, and they were still all like "... Ash is on a task, he never gets angry..." . He's genuinely very laid back and he has a calming influence on Helen, they are polar opposites emotionally (Helen has very little control) but that strangely makes them fit together well. I can't imagine what she would have been like without Ash offering perspective and a calm aura... With just people like Winston, Mark, etc. winding her up even more. I think she may even have overstepped the mark and been removed.
He's only occasionally been sucked into a bit of negativity and for the mostpart, as I said in another thread, has been the only housemate (except maybe Christopher, though not any more) who has genuinely seemed to like everyone and want everyone to get along. If he was to run into any of the other housemates in the street in 6 months time, he would be genuinely happy to see them.

As for comparing Helen and Ashleigh I do think some people are a little blind to the faults of both girls. If you wouldn't trust one, you shouldn't trust the other - they really do have exactly the same personality type and are, first and foremost, self-serving. Neither of them have ever stood up for another housemate unless the issue also affected them.

[tanussa]

helen would have yor back more than ashleigh, cos the only back she has is her own

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tanussa

helen would have yor back more than ashleigh, cos the only back she has is her own

..I have no idea who would 'have my back' more but the thing I am saying is I have my own back and that's all I would want...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by tanussa

helen would have yor back more than ashleigh, cos the only back she has is her own

Ashleigh wouldn't have your back,she'de just fill it will holes!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ashleigh wouldn't have your back,she'de just fill it will holes!

My take too now, there comes times in a good number of peoples lives where they really need someone to help to or evn fight their corner.
IF and I stress 'if' Helen liked you and trusted you, then she is likely someone who would go tooth and nail to help you against someone or anything against you.

By the same token she could be likely ruthless against someone she didn't like at all,especially as to herself.
However,of the 2,she would be the one I would want on my side rather than not.

Whereas Ashleigh would possibly just sit back and say little or nothing,she would chat with you afterwards but probably not be in that ring with you at your side when really needed.
Speaking for me from what I have observed in the house by both of them, That is the conclusion I have personally reached.

[Razor]

They are my top three and have been from the beginning.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

Yes exactly the same for me Toronto,Helens one of my faves now but really disliked her at the beginning,lets hope others have been openminded as to Helen.

[booboomartin]

Originally Posted by toronto_matt

someone really has to help me with this, i started off LOVING chris and christopher from the start and throughout most of the series

ashleigh, i was always so so on, especially during her month long hiding in corners with danielle moaning and snickering stage but i never actually "disliked" her

and helen, my god, i despised her, i could not stand her! i honestly thought there was no way i could dislike a housemate ever again as much as i did her BUT

something happened, dont ask me what, there just came a point where i realized chris, christopher and ashligh started to really get to me and i found myself while not "liking" helen per say, but i started to understand her more and slowly but surely, the tables completely flipped and i found myself pro helen!

its madness i know..

i know there are alot of hardcore helen fans out there that have loved her from the start, but is there anyone else that started off absolutely despising the woman to now wanting her to win? i mean, i cant be the only one.. can i?

no, your not. i feel exactly the same. i now find ashleigh so two faced. she along with chris are the two most nastiest in the house. when it comes to helen, they say everything behind closed doors.i cannot understand why christopher is friends with ashleigh, he must have a short memory when it comes to the treatment of him by her. neither her or chris have the balls to say what they really would love to say to helen, and when ashleighs devotees see her as someone so sweet well, please pass me the bucket. her devotees got rid of winston because they saw him as a threat to their princess (yuk), it was tactical voting at its worst. Helen to win

[wormsinfested]

I use to like all three of them, but chris and ashleigh just got more and more dreadful & douchy.

I still like christopher and hope he wins, because he is the only one in there with good morals even after all the times he has been talked down on, been laughed at and nominated.

[Tip]

I wouldn't say I particularly like any of them.

At a push I suppose if I had to interact with any of them it would be Chris, Christopher and (just about) Ash.

I would be embarrassed if Helen had my back - and I agree she's a lot more palatable when she isn't shouting - but I'll never have any interest in her unless she does something with her life which is pretty incredible.

I agree that Ashleigh is no saint and again, not someone I'd be interesting in interacting with.

[MarcusMel]

I feel sorry for Helen and her abysmal lack of self worth and her wish to attack anybody who challenges any respect she feels she has for herself.

Ashleigh, seems to have too much undeserved self-respect and can't seem to let herself relax or be around with those that don't give her the respect she demands of them.

Ash, I don't see him as being nice. I still remember the look he had when up for eviction in the first week. It was a look that I felt could kill and still sends a shiver to my soul. If Ash doesn't like you, then life would be having every stupid thing you did mentioned over and over to drive you into anger and misery.

Christopher, Suspect that his energy and enthusiasm are like a dog greeting its master, overwhelming bounce and happiness, it is all too much of a good thing and very tiring to live with.

Pav, seems like someone who is swimming outside their comfort zone and trying to come to terms with a new situation. Did they show him during the 'finalist' task?

Chris :- Doubt anybody can get close to understanding him. See and analyses the world about him but can't communicate or more to the point be appreciated for the way he perceives the world. Probably the most misunderstood person of this BB series.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

I feel sorry for Helen and her abysmal lack of self worth and her wish to attack anybody who challenges any respect she feels she has for herself.

Ashleigh, seems to have too much undeserved self-respect and can't seem to let herself relax or be around with those that don't give her the respect she demands of them.

Ash, I don't see him as being nice. I still remember the look he had when up for eviction in the first week. It was a look that I felt could kill and still sends a shiver to my soul. If Ash doesn't like you, then life would be having every stupid thing you did mentioned over and over to drive you into anger and misery.

Christopher, Suspect that his energy and enthusiasm are like a dog greeting its master, overwhelming bounce and happiness, it is all too much of a good thing and very tiring to live with.

Pav, seems like someone who is swimming outside their comfort zone and trying to come to terms with a new situation. Did they show him during the 'finalist' task?

Chris :- Doubt anybody can get close to understanding him. See and analyses the world about him but can't communicate or more to the point be appreciated for the way he perceives the world. Probably the most misunderstood person of this BB series.

Re Chris, I have understood him from day one, when he went in I thought no. I looked at Ash and thought yes! How wrong was I. The only good thing about Ash is his looks but the best thing about Chris is his understanding of a situation. His knowledge of the pen and how to put an impression onto paper. His readiness to take himself to task if he thinks he has done something wrong and his gratitude at something being pointed out to him via the media.

Sadly his realisation that his impressions were right in the first place puts him straight back to the first weeks in the house. We have to congratulate him though for trying to discover the good in everyone in the knowledge that there is something somewere along the line. Some we have to dig deeper with than others. Some the good is only shown with those who they think will grovel to them but, Chris is his own person and he knows that he is a force unto himself. He is great! He will go far and deserves the recognition that he is a great artist.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Re Chris, I have understood him from day one, when he went in I thought no. I looked at Ash and thought yes! How wrong was I. The only good thing about Ash is his looks but the best thing about Chris is his understanding of a situation. His knowledge of the pen and how to put an impression onto paper. His readiness to take himself to task if he thinks he has done something wrong and his gratitude at something being pointed out to him via the media.

Sadly his realisation that his impressions were right in the first place puts him straight back to the first weeks in the house. We have to congratulate him though for trying to discover the good in everyone in the knowledge that there is something somewere along the line. Some we have to dig deeper with than others. Some the good is only shown with those who they think will grovel to them but, Chris is his own person and he knows that he is a force unto himself. He is great! He will go far and deserves the recognition that he is a great artist.