[Crimson Dynamo]

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

[Jamesy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Does Ken think black people are subhuman, below white people?

No

Are the twitter generation just reacting to a word?

Yes


he is not a racist he just used a word that now people wet their pants about

big, big difference

[GiRTh]

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He'd been warned about the word so for me I have no sympathy whether he was quoting in the 2nd instance. The fact he's now saying its outdated not racist also tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing and saying all along. I think he's making it worse with this bullshi*t and I'm having less sympathy the more I hear.

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

The misogyny is boring.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The misogyny is boring.

not as boring as the male hate on here and on the show and even moreso on the sexist bbots fiasco.......theres infinitely more sexism against men than women in this show and throughout western society

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

not as boring as the male hate on here and on the show and even moreso on the sexist bbots fiasco.......theres infinitely more sexism against men than women in this show and throughout western society

I hope you find some peace in your life. You seem very angry.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The misogyny is boring.

He has a fair point there actually those tw scenarios happened but were not taken as seriously as the might have been.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He has a fair point there actually those tw scenarios happened but were not taken as seriously as the might have been.

Those two scenario were dealt with by BB in a way they thought appropriate. Were they fair? Probably not but they've gone now and I dont see the point in being angry about what happened on a TV show years ago.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

utter drivel. he wasn't name calling anyone it was merely a word he used within the context of a conversation. try being perfectly pc 24 hours a day, women can say what they like or do what they like as weve seen with denise welch pulling down girls underwear and hitting Michael madsen in the face or chloe biting an old mans ears....

What about when Ken spoke Jamaican to Alexander after Nadia threatened to call The Police on him? I don't think that Ken is a racist, but I do feel that he was out to make a name for himself on this series, and along with Perez he'll be remembered from this series.

[Braden]

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Braden

I had this debate with my mum and dad the other day.

We were all shocked by what Ken said, but my mum began to explain how back when she was a child it was perfectly acceptable to use the term 'coloured'. I started arguing that regardless of whether it was okay to use that word in the 70's or now the connotations behind it are exactly the same, and it should never be deemed as an 'acceptable' term.

I feel the same way in this instance. Of course Ken has a point that the word is outdated, but that's because people are becoming more aware of what offends people. The word Ken said offended Alexander in this day of age, and would have offended black people years ago too.

..it was interesting that in one of the newspapers, Ken's son made no excuses and apologised for his dad's behaviour in the house...I doubt that if Ken would use the terms he did in the house, that it's the first time he's ever used them which his family would also have heard him do as well...so I would have thought that his children may have had similar conversations with him and yet he still does it....

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it was interesting that in one of the newspapers, Ken's son made no excuses and apologised for his dad's behaviour in the house...I doubt that if Ken would use the terms he did in the house, that it's the first time he's ever used them which his family would also have heard him do as well...so I would have thought that his children may have had similar conversations with him and yet he still does it....

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Braden

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.

..I think he's very much in the times though, Braden... especially with the industry he works in so if he knows it's wrong but continues to do so then it's extremely ignorant and disrespectful...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

Some of it is down to age, not all of it because there are older people who wouldn't dream of using that language.

It's just a shame that Ken isn't really with the times and doesn't know what is acceptable/unacceptable. The fact that Ken kept going on about providing 'controversy' and wanting to leave doesn't really help how his intentions may be construed.

I think it's more he doesn't care that it's unacceptable rather than doesn't know, he's definitely been told atleast twice that it's unacceptable yet still choose to use the word again

[the truth]

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Yeah because Ken's fluent in Spanish

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by the truth

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

He'd already been warned but still uses the word. BB had no option.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its Spanish for black and he didn't call anyone the word it was just used as part of a conversation

Funny looking Spanish dude.

[Jake.]

Take the misogyny talk elsewhere and stick on topic

[Tip]

It's not down to age at all, it's attitude. Ken knows, and then he was informed and warned on top. He was just being an arse.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Tip

It's not down to age at all, it's attitude. Ken knows, and then he was informed and warned on top. He was just being an arse.

I'm not saying it's all down to age. I think attitude and age can be related in this instance because of how society treated black people.

And like I said some older people felt (still so) that it was acceptable to use racist terms because they were never chastised for doing so.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by Braden

I'm not saying it's all down to age. I think attitude and age can be related in this instance because of how society treated black people.

And like I said some older people felt (still so) that it was acceptable to use racist terms because they were never chastised for doing so.

Most people are in touch enough with reality to know that things that went on back in the day aren't acceptable now. I have my doubts that many are truly ignorant of the facts but I have come across plenty who are just plainly stubborn and want to challenge what is "acceptable or not" now.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Braden

I'm not saying it's all down to age. I think attitude and age can be related in this instance because of how society treated black people.

And like I said some older people felt (still so) that it was acceptable to use racist terms because they were never chastised for doing so.

As it was accepted in those days, chastisement didn't come into it at all.

It will die out eventually when generations grow old and pass away but there is racial abuse by football crowds in this day and age who have grown up with these more enlightened attitudes, so it still happens.

[Pincho Paxton]

It depends on whether you believe Ken. You don't have to see it. I just happen to believe him.