[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think that was brought back, kids have always hit each other with sticks. Do you know which kids do the most "hitting with sticks"? The ones who are hit at home.

..yeah the bringing back bit was just a joke and it's just that I have rubbish jokes...but honestly TS that's not true in my experience either, which is more that a child being hit at home in the sense I think that you mean... would be more the child who is less likely to join in with any games whatever they are and generally interact less because whether playing with sticks be appropriate or not and obviously in school it's reinforced that it's not...it's much more of a generally happy, playful and active mind and a worry free mind....obviously there may be some situations that you have said as well but it's also something that shouldn't be assumed, that violence will breed violence and active violence...because violence so often breeds fear and insecurity and a 'dumbing down' of a child...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah the bringing back bit was just a joke and it's just that I have rubbish jokes...but honestly TS that's not true in my experience either, which is more that a child being hit at home in the sense I think that you mean... would be more the child who is less likely to join in with any games whatever they are and generally interact less because whether playing with sticks be appropriate or not and obviously in school it's reinforced that it's not...it's much more of a generally happy, playful and active mind and a worry free mind....obviously there may be some situations that you have said as well but it's also something that shouldn't be assumed, that violence will breed violence and active violence...because violence so often breeds fear and insecurity and a 'dumbing down' of a child...

I agree really, one of my daughters friends who is very much "controlled" at home (and would never misbehave in front of her mother, or a teacher for that matter, because she is terrified of authority figures) can best be describes as nervous, anxious and insecure.

She is also incredibly angry and shoves, hits, grabs, and shouts in kids faces and lashes out when she thinks there aren't any adults looking.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree really, one of my daughters friends who is very much "controlled" at home (and would never misbehave in front of her mother, or a teacher for that matter, because she is terrified of authority figures) can best be describes as nervous, anxious and insecure.

She is also incredibly angry and shoves, hits, grabs, and shouts in kids faces and lashes out when she thinks there aren't any adults looking.

..I think though and looking at your above post as well...this is why these things are hard to diagnose and shouldn't be generalised and judged either because there is no 'one size fits all'..and bullying isn't always about 'power' it can also be out of frustrations and an inability to communicate, that can be something in the home environment but not always...but yeah, a child constantly in trouble for physical aggression is a worry but so can a child be who never gets into trouble as well....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think that was brought back, kids have always hit each other with sticks. Do you know which kids do the most "hitting with sticks"? The ones who are hit at home.

Is this apart from the bullies who are intrinsically more aggressive, less disciplined and physically bigger and stronger who are able to hit with sticks because they have no internal moral compass which determines such conduct is wrong, do not respect any external rules which decree it is wrong, and do not fear any punishment for breaking such rules because they are soft and impotent?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Is this apart from the bullies who are intrinsically more aggressive, less disciplined and physically bigger and stronger who are able to hit with sticks because they have no internal moral compass which determines such conduct is wrong, do not respect any external rules which decree it is wrong, and do not fear any punishment for breaking such rules because they are soft and impotent?

You don't instill a moral compass in someone by hitting them .

I actually once saw a woman at soft play, smack her child and at the same time shout "don't hit!!" at him. I mean just... What? If you were ever looking to confuse a 5 year old, there's one way to do it.

Every bully I've ever encountered is a bully because they are seeking to feel powerful. These kids are seeking to feel powerful because they feel powerless at home. It's more or less that simple. If you respect your children as individuals and talk to them as equals then they will behave respectfully to others... It's more or less that simple. Treating like an equal does not mean pandering to or spoiling... It means exactly what it means. I talk to my 5 year old in exactly the same way I talk to any adult.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You don't instill a moral compass in someone by hitting them .

I actually once saw a woman at soft play, smack her child and at the same time shout "don't hit!!" at him. I mean just... What? If you were ever looking to confuse a 5 year old, there's one way to do it.

Every bully I've ever encountered is a bully because they are seeking to feel powerful. These kids are seeking to feel powerful because they feel powerless at home. It's more or less that simple. If you respect your children as individuals and talk to them as equals then they will behave respectfully to others... It's more or less that simple. Treating like an equal does not mean pandering to or spoiling... It means exactly what it means. I talk to my 5 year old in exactly the same way I talk to any adult.

Why the facepalm? I NEVER said that you instil a moral compass in someone by hitting them - I said someone WITHOUT a moral compass is decidedly more probable to hit someone with a stick than someone who HAD a moral compass.

I have raised three moral, decent, honest, hard-working kids who have all graduated from Uni so I think I have a little knowledge on this subject. I have never had to raise a hand to any of my kids but I DID discipline them when I had to.

That said, I don't think the issue is as simple as you contend TS - a lot of kids do evil things or end up bad IN SPITE of the most loving and caring upbringing.

Good parenting and a stable loving home-life just reduces the odds of that happening that's all.

[Kizzy]

I once hit my son with a spring roll he still talks about it to this day... Even though I only smacked him as many times as I can count on the fingers of one hand I could see me doing this if I caught him looting :/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I once hit my son with a spring roll he still talks about it to this day... Even though I only smacked him as many times as I can count on the fingers of one hand I could see me doing this if I caught him looting :/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I once hit my son with a spring roll he still talks about it to this day... Even though I only smacked him as many times as I can count on the fingers of one hand I could see me doing this if I caught him looting :/

OMG Kizzy ,that is so funny,does he like Chinese food? No wonder his socks are crispy,

[arista]

That Mother is to be awarded
"Mother Of The Year Award"

Ref:FoxNewsHD

[arista]

Well done Lad

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Well done Lad

.....

[arista]

The start of this Riot
has found out that the Man Freddie Gray
who sadly died ,
was trying to injury himself
by banging his head against the wall of the van.


Ref: Washington Post Report


As a result of this new info
the Police are now not going public with anything.
So more problems
with new "Cover Up " claims, to come

[GypsyGoth]

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

Wtf......a group of black men lined up to protect a group of white police officers in full riot gear who are under threat from the black community for random killings of black men.

Well I've seen it ****ing all now......

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Wtf......a group of black men lined up to protect a group of white police officers in full riot gear who are under threat from the black community for random killings of black men.

Well I've seen it ****ing all now......

I think it was just people from a community protecting other human beings from getting hurt, regardless of skin color.

The riot police do the same for them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think it was just people from a community protecting other human beings from getting hurt, regardless of skin color.

The riot police do the same for them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think it was just people from a community protecting other human beings from getting hurt, regardless of skin color.

The riot police do the same for them.

After all the awful things we see and read the picture you posted along with the video Chaos posted yesterday restore my faith in the human race.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Wtf......a group of black men lined up to protect a group of white police officers in full riot gear who are under threat from the black community for random killings of black men.

Well I've seen it ****ing all now......

It really goes some way to restoring your faith in human nature doesn't it?..

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It really goes some way to restoring your faith in human nature doesn't it?..

Indeed it does......

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

This is one of the most heartening and pleasing photos I have ever seen. It gives us some hope that this sick, fecked up world might just have a slim chance of redemption, because it shows the passive, moral, MODERATE majority finally stepping up and being counted against the mob minority.

Violence, Lawlessness, and Anarchy, transcend colour or creed or race, it will destroy America from within as it will destroy any country where such elements are allowed to manifest and grow unchecked.

These courageous black citizens have 'picked up the ball' and it is now up to the authorities in the USA to 'run with it' and begin a series of very public investigations into racism and the increasing number of highly questionable deaths of black people whilst being arrested or whilst in police custody.

The American government OWE as much to these moderate blacks and if they try to sweep this very real issue 'under the carpet' once this latest civil outrage has settled, then they will only be scoring an 'own goal' with that ball they've been handed by them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

A group of men lined up to protect the riot police.

Yes proving
the locals are not doing the Attacks

[Ninastar]

Wow GG, that pic made my day. Incredible.

[arista]

Once Again The USA President
has jumped the gun
without all the fecking FACTS.

CNN reports F.Gray , who died,
did bang his own head on the Police Van
he was in.



Now the Report
he not going Public

[the truth]

the main problem is that so few of these young hooligans have fathers