[Will.]

Lol someone commented on BB post on FB that last years was the best by far! It will be hard to beat, and they weren't joking! Are they on drugs.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Willbrick1999

Lol someone commented on BB post on FB that last years was the best by far! It will be hard to beat, and they weren't joking! Are they on drugs.

I bet it was you.

[Will.]

Originally Posted by BB6

I bet it was you.

It was a girl! I've not had a sex change!! I really didn't like BB15, some parts were ok.

[Jason.]

How CBB15 would've worked with a VTE, IMO.

Eviction 1 - Alexander vs. Alicia vs. Chloe vs. Michelle
CHLOE EVICTED

Eviction 2 - Alicia. vs. Calum vs. Nadia vs. Perez
PEREZ EVICTED (Alicia replaces Perez in other evictions)

Eviction 3 - Cami-Li vs. Katie H vs. Nadia vs. Patsy
CAMI-LI EVICTED (Patsy replaces Cami-Li in other evictions)

Eviction 4 - Alicia vs. Katie H vs. Keith vs. Nadia
Katie H EVICTED (Nadia replaces Hopkins in other evictions)

Eviction 5 - Alicia vs. Katie P vs. Keith vs. Patsy
ALICIA EVICTED

Eviction 6 & 7 - Calum vs. Katie P vs. Kavana vs. Keith vs. Michelle vs. Nadia vs. Patsy (VOTE TO WIN)

7th Place = Kavana
6th Place = Patsy

Final -

5th Place = Nadia
4th Place = Michelle
3rd Place = Keith
Runner-Up = Calum
Winner = Katie Price

Come to think of it, I wish it did work out like this.
Alicia would've stayed longer, as well as Nadia.
Perez going wouldn't have destroyed the series, and Pricey still wins.

Not keen on Visage finishing fourth, but what can you do.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by BB6

Those T&C's are always updated last minute. Take with a pinch of salt.

Vote to Evict gets them the most revenue for Big Brother - whilst Vote to Save means they can milk the revenue from the fan bases of the celebrities.

I've never really understood the love for VTS. I don't vote. But I can imagine when your voting, you vote for the person you like, in a VTS, or the person you least like in a VTE, not the person who is on screen longer.

VTS isn't even good at keeping the big characters, TBH.
In CBB14, Frenchy was evicted in a Vote to Save, with almost the entire house up alongside her.

In CBB15, Calum (all though I like him) obviously got the most amount votes by a landslide, leaving Alicia, Perez, and Nadia fighting with just 1% between them. All of which were much bigger characters than Calum.

VTS doesn't keep the entertaining ones in. It keeps the ones with the biggest fan bases. You can't guarantee that just because someone is on screen more than another housemate, they will be saved. They may have a smaller fan base, and therefore be evicted.

Why do you think TOWIE/MIC/GS contestants do quite well. It's cause they have big fan bases voting to keep them in, not because they're entertaining.

VTS suxs.

I don't mind it for CBB, but BB must be VTE.

I like the idea of Who goes, you decide, rather than Who stays, you decide.

But you have just reasoned why VTS is not good for CBB.
Regular BB housemates don't have fan bases like the celebs have - one week they're awesome and the next day you chant them out, it's the deeper they go in the process that's when fan bases are formed (as opposed to the celebs who you basically "know" from pre-CBB).

VTS and VTE each have their pros and cons - sometimes they fail to deliver and sometimes they succeed, it's not an exact science.
I think VTS is good because it mostly doesn't give the meh hms to go on further in the house, while VTE just risks the biggest characters.
No doubt VTE is more exciting cause it has the fight-for-survival suspense effect, but I personally prefer VTS as a much safer way to keep my favs.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

But you have just reasoned why VTS is not good for CBB.

Fine.

BB13
Conor Vs Shievonne.
80.33%

Nuff said.

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by BB6

Fine.

BB13
Conor Vs Shievonne.
80.04%

Nuff said.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Germyle

Why does everyone use this image?

[Mystic Mock]

VTS was the reason why we could never get Conor out of the house.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

VTS was the reason why we could never get Conor out of the house.

Agree.

I don't get why so many love VTS.

VTE was present throughout the entire eleven years on Channel 4, and those series are held in much higher regard than BB12 and BB13, which had VTS.

VTE didn't ruin BB5/BB6/BB7, as far as I remember.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BB6

Agree.

I don't get why so many love VTS.

VTE was present throughout the entire eleven years on Channel 4, and those series are held in much higher regard than BB12 and BB13, which had VTS.

VTE didn't ruin BB5/BB6/BB7, as far as I remember.

VTE did kill that series imo, by the time you enter week 8 you just want to slit your own wrists.

Well not literally.

But I do get your point that series with VTE in them do tend to be more popular than the ones with VTS.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

VTE did kill that series imo, by the time you enter week 8 you just want to slit your own wrists.

Well not literally.

But I do get your point that series with VTE in them do tend to be more popular than the ones with VTS.

Oh yeah, I forgot you rage quit that series.
But still, most evictions would've been the same with a VTS, in BB7.

Grace still would've had fewer votes than Nikki in a VTS. Probably like 82% to Save Nikki, and 18% to Save Grace.

Lea would definitely still have gone over Richard in a VTS. Richard = 60% to Save, and Lea = 40% to Save.

Imogen again would've got fewer votes than Richard, in a VTS. Richard = 67% to Save, and Imogen = 33% to Save.

The only eviction which needed VTS, was Week 8.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BB6

Oh yeah, I forgot you rage quit that series.
But still, most evictions would've been the same with a VTS, in BB7.

Grace still would've had fewer votes than Nikki in a VTS. Probably like 82% to Save Nikki, and 18% to Save Grace.

Lea would definitely still have gone over Richard in a VTS. Richard = 60% to Save, and Lea = 40% to Save.

Imogen again would've got fewer votes than Richard, in a VTS. Richard = 67% to Save, and Imogen = 33% to Save.

The only eviction which needed VTS, was Week 8.

Lea had more fans than Richard though so that could've swung the other way.

Sadly you have a point on the others though as the public was too entwined with Dull Pete.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

VTS was the reason why we could never get Conor out of the house.

Very true. For every entertaining housemate worth keeping that VTS might save, it also tends to keep around some of the nastiest housemates because being awful is apparently entertaining too for some. Not to mention some housemates who you'd expect to survive on VTS have ended up leaving.

I enjoy seeing the horrible ones being evicted with a majority eviction vote, it's just satisfying for me (much more so than having them kept around and essentially endorsing their behaviour). Also, that was the format used on C4 for many years (the same BB that people always accuse C5 BB of being inferior to) so I don't personally get the issue some people have with VTE.

[Jake.]

both are really flawed systems and I don't care either way now

[LukeB]

Jale going in week 1 would have been perfect tbh

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Jale going in week 1 would have been perfect tbh

Tbh under VTS every week this is how it probably would've gone during BB15.

Btw anyone that survives the week they got evicted irl will just go up in the next round.

Week 1 - Danielle vs Jale vs Tamara - Tamara evicted
Week 2 - Ash vs Chris vs Christopher vs Marlon vs Pauline vs Steven - Steven evicted
Week 3 - Ash vs Chris vs Christopher vs Danielle vs Jale vs Marlon vs Pauline vs Toya vs Winston - Pauline evicted
Week 4 - Ash vs Christopher vs Mark vs Matthew vs Winston - Ash evicted
Week 5 - Ashleigh vs Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Matthew vs Toya - Toya evicted
Week 6 - Still would've been the same picks
Week 7 - Ashleigh vs Jale vs Matthew vs Pav vs Zoe - Pav evicted
Week 8 - Chris vs Jale vs Matthew vs Zoe - Zoe evicted
Week 9 - Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Mark vs Matthew vs Winston - Mark & Matthew evicted
The Final - Ashleigh vs Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Helen vs Winston


6th Place - Chris
5th Place - Jale
4th Place - Winston
3rd Place - Christopher
2nd Place - Ashleigh
Winner - Helen

So there was a few differences, but not as big as some would like it.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh under VTS every week this is how it probably would've gone during BB15.

Btw anyone that survives the week they got evicted irl will just go up in the next round.

Week 1 - Danielle vs Jale vs Tamara - Tamara evicted
Week 2 - Ash vs Chris vs Christopher vs Marlon vs Pauline vs Steven - Steven evicted
Week 3 - Ash vs Chris vs Christopher vs Danielle vs Jale vs Marlon vs Pauline vs Toya vs Winston - Pauline evicted
Week 4 - Ash vs Christopher vs Mark vs Matthew vs Winston - Ash evicted
Week 5 - Ashleigh vs Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Matthew vs Toya - Toya evicted
Week 6 - Still would've been the same picks
Week 7 - Ashleigh vs Jale vs Matthew vs Pav vs Zoe - Pav evicted
Week 8 - Chris vs Jale vs Matthew vs Zoe - Zoe evicted
Week 9 - Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Mark vs Matthew vs Winston - Mark & Matthew evicted
The Final - Ashleigh vs Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Helen vs Winston


6th Place - Chris
5th Place - Jale
4th Place - Winston
3rd Place - Christopher
2nd Place - Ashleigh
Winner - Helen

So there was a few differences, but not as big as some would like it.

As much I loved him, I can't help but think that Christopher wouldn't have gone as far as he did in a VTS.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

As much I loved him, I can't help but think that Christopher wouldn't have gone as far as he did in a VTS.

Oh, don't worry. He was Digital Spy forums' favourite until Helen (Izz Misunderstood) took that enviable title.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by MB.

Oh, don't worry. He was Digital Spy forums' favourite until Helen (Izz Misunderstood) took that enviable title.

I think he's underrated tbh. He wasn't the most entertaining by any stretch, but he just seemed like a lovely bloke - magnified somewhat I suspect by Mark being a twat to him and in general.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Rob!

As much I loved him, I can't help but think that Christopher wouldn't have gone as far as he did in a VTS.

I don't think that Christopher was too far off the final 2 in total votes.

Imo if the series was edited fairly Christopher would've won I think as the public naturally liked him without all of the gimmicks.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't think that Christopher was too far off the final 2 in total votes.

Imo if the series was edited fairly Christopher would've won I think as the public naturally liked him without all of the gimmicks.

According to the report that Channel 5 released after everyone screamed fix at Helen winning, Christopher was like miles ahead of the 4th and 5th places but Helen and Ashleigh were miles ahead of him.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh under VTS every week this is how it probably would've gone during BB15.

Btw anyone that survives the week they got evicted irl will just go up in the next round.

Week 1 - Danielle vs Jale vs Tamara - Tamara evicted
Week 2 - Ash vs Chris vs Christopher vs Marlon vs Pauline vs Steven - Steven evicted
Week 3 - Ash vs Chris vs Christopher vs Danielle vs Jale vs Marlon vs Pauline vs Toya vs Winston - Pauline evicted
Week 4 - Ash vs Christopher vs Mark vs Matthew vs Winston - Ash evicted
Week 5 - Ashleigh vs Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Matthew vs Toya - Toya evicted
Week 6 - Still would've been the same picks
Week 7 - Ashleigh vs Jale vs Matthew vs Pav vs Zoe - Pav evicted
Week 8 - Chris vs Jale vs Matthew vs Zoe - Zoe evicted
Week 9 - Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Mark vs Matthew vs Winston - Mark & Matthew evicted
The Final - Ashleigh vs Chris vs Christopher vs Jale vs Helen vs Winston


6th Place - Chris
5th Place - Jale
4th Place - Winston
3rd Place - Christopher
2nd Place - Ashleigh
Winner - Helen

So there was a few differences, but not as big as some would like it.

I still think Pauline would've gone in Week 2, in a VTS. She lost a lot of fans, and pretty much most of the viewing public detested her.
I still think Steven had a small fan base, in Week 2, to warrant keeping him in.

Marlon would've gone in Week 3. With or without Pauline up.

I agree with MB. about Ash. He was popular. I mean he managed to beat Chris, in the final.

Ash was even more popular than Danielle.

[MB.]

I think you've rather overestimated Marlon's popularity there, Mock...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MB.

I think you've rather overestimated Marlon's popularity there, Mock...

Well he had more fans than Steven who didn't have any, and with Pauline I'm assuming that her haters would vote for him just to see her leave.