[Kizzy]

I wish I had watched the whole thing, it seemed just like some mothers meeting the bit I saw, is this what is suggested is radicalisation then?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wish I had watched the whole thing, it seemed just like some mothers meeting the bit I saw, is this what is suggested is radicalisation then?

They were study circles of female Islamists who encourage girls to travel to Syria, preach hate against the West and against Jews and celebrate ISIS fighters and atrocities. That is certainly what is involved in radicalisation.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They were study circles of female Islamists who encourage girls to travel to Syria, preach hate against the West and against Jews and celebrate ISIS fighters and atrocities. That is certainly what is involved in radicalisation.

Right, I don't think the summation was very accurate then, I'm still not comfortable with the media expose. Did it not say 2 weeks after filming ended it was the Paris bombings? Would any investigation actioned not still be ongoing if there was any real threat?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right, I don't think the summation was very accurate then, I'm still not comfortable with the media expose. Did it not say 2 weeks after filming ended it was the Paris bombings? Would any investigation actioned not still be ongoing if there was any real threat?

I presume that filming ended because she was caught and the extremists cut off all contact with her. I expect the authorities are taking the footage very seriously and are investigating these women.

[Livia]

It'll probably be all over by Christmas.

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but what will replace them is the question. Al Qaeda isn't getting much attention lately, but can we celebrate the retreat of Al Qaeda with ISIS around? and what will come after ISIS?

Precisely the point. We should just leave the region well alone and let them sort it out themselves - even if all the bombs and drone strikes in the world kill every last ISIS member, there's still a gigantic power vacuum to be filled and something else will fill it - and it won't be a functioning democracy.

I don't believe ISIS are in any danger of ending any time soon - there's too much else going on in the region for there to be any chance of a coordinated effort to get rid of them, they're taking full advantage of the chaos and adding to it further (see: Paris attacks) to make significant strategic gains and I would imagine the most likely outcome at this moment in time is that ISIS becomes a legitimate state or becomes a Middle Eastern equivalent of North Korea; Turkey expands its territory; a Kurdish state of some sort is created and perhaps a couple of other quasi Saudi and Iranian proxy states. Bashar al-Assad is out of the equation, of course, but he's of little relevance while all this other **** is going on.

[letmein]

You can destroy an idea. It's impossible. There's no destroying ISIS.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Z

Precisely the point. We should just leave the region well alone and let them sort it out themselves - even if all the bombs and drone strikes in the world kill every last ISIS member, there's still a gigantic power vacuum to be filled and something else will fill it - and it won't be a functioning democracy.

I don't believe ISIS are in any danger of ending any time soon - there's too much else going on in the region for there to be any chance of a coordinated effort to get rid of them, they're taking full advantage of the chaos and adding to it further (see: Paris attacks) to make significant strategic gains and I would imagine the most likely outcome at this moment in time is that ISIS becomes a legitimate state or becomes a Middle Eastern equivalent of North Korea; Turkey expands its territory; a Kurdish state of some sort is created and perhaps a couple of other quasi Saudi and Iranian proxy states. Bashar al-Assad is out of the equation, of course, but he's of little relevance while all this other **** is going on.

we can't just leave the region alone because of the refugee crisis, how are you going to stop the refugees?

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we can't just leave the region alone because of the refugee crisis, how are you going to stop the refugees?

Ignore them if we keep accepting them, they'll keep coming.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I presume that filming ended because she was caught and the extremists cut off all contact with her. I expect the authorities are taking the footage very seriously and are investigating these women.

I know it ended that way I saw it, my query was why they have released the footage so quick?
What is the motive, to compound headlines like the 1 in 5 stat in the sun?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Z

Ignore them if we keep accepting them, they'll keep coming.

That sounds harsh Z.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I know it ended that way I saw it, my query was why they have released the footage so quick?
What is the motive, to compound headlines like the 1 in 5 stat in the sun?

Do you think that Channel 4 has an agenda in whipping up hate against Muslims?

Are you saying they should have pulled the footage? If female Muslims are radicalising young girls and encouraging them to travel to Syria to join ISIS is that something that should be tiptoed around?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Do you think that Channel 4 has an agenda in whipping up hate against Muslims?

Are you saying they should have pulled the footage? If female Muslims are radicalising young girls and encouraging them to travel to Syria to join ISIS is that something that should be tiptoed around?

I don't know the Sun seem to relish doing it, I think it should be dealt with by the relevant authorities not broadcast almost immediatly following a terrorist incident. I think it could have the potential to incite racial tension and that is not what the country needs right now.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't know the Sun seem to relish doing it, I think it should be dealt with by the relevant authorities not broadcast almost immediatly following a terrorist incident. I think it could have the potential to incite racial tension and that is not what the country needs right now.

I understand what you mean. The Sun is an obscenity and shouldn't be stirring up tension like it plainly is. However, we need everyone to be aware of the scale of the problem wrt radicalisation so I think the TV program was useful. There is a clear difference in how the information is presented between the 2 cases.

We all need to be educated at this point not force fed hate.

[Kizzy]

We know there is radicalisation, whipping up numptys like the one who harassed a young Muslim woman on a train is not an intelligent solution to the issue.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why does it seem like the oldest cultures are the least evolved? It's like they get stuck.

people started in Africa, africa is a ****ing nightmare, then moved up into the middle east, then into south asia and southern and eastern europe, then into eastern asia and western europe, then to America, Canada, and Australia....

it's like when you look at that time line you can see the worst places start at the beginning and the best places are the furthest away from the beginning.

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

yea, the moon landing was really quite something.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The new world / post colonial countries just haven't had as much time to make a mess yet. You'll get there, don't worry. The US quite blatantly peaked in the 20th century, for example... give it a few hundred years and it'll be well on the way back down.

We are on the way back down I'd say atm we're hovering somewhere over the early 20th century, we have the service industry and hospitality but little industry. proletarianisation is in full swing.

[Livia]

Funny how different people have such different views depending on their outlook.

[Kizzy]

Strikes being discussed atm...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live