[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. It was all a big fat lie to win favour. I'm on to him.

Who? Nasty Nick?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Who? Nasty Nick?

Jihadi John

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally different scenario,NN said his wife died in a car crash it was found to be made up

Oh the good old days

'Your playing a very dirty game Nick'

[hot2go]

He quit Eastenders and gave up his personal life to care for his mom full time when she became ill....so you're judging on his loyalty as a son is completely totally wrong

[GiRTh]

John not crying is not the issue. To bring it up twice in such a petty environment, for the purpose of scoring points, was as low as I've seen anyone go for a long time on BB.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

John not crying is not the issue. To bring it up twice in such a petty environment, for the purpose of scoring points, was as low as I've seen anyone go for a long time on BB.

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully

I'd hardly say he made his point beautifully but he did show us the kind of man he is.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I'd hardly say he made his point beautifully but he did show us the kind of man he is.

For a certain few ,I suppose it fitted

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully

But it's deeply manipulative and obviously so if it's true

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

But it's deeply manipulative and obviously so if it's true

Why do people make out whatever John says is some terrible crime

[Ammi]

..wow, what a cruel, cold-hearted thing to say to someone..I didn't cry when my father died and I didn't cry through my mother's illness but YOU made me cry...that really did reach the lowest low...it could be said that says more about him than it does her..(and she's pretty darn grim as well..)...his emotions are all about him..me, me, me, don't you dare make me unhappy...self-centred...but really he didn't cry for his parents/when his dad dies/when his mum became ill etc so maybe, just maybe he's so very much needed that cry, that release of emotions that being in the BB house has given...so not really a bad thing, the crying in itself bursting to come out..ok, the trigger to it may not be the best and has made him feel miserable but it may still have been a trigger that was so needed....it's not just that though, it's the whole irony of what he so cruelly said...YOU MADE ME CRY, THAT'S HOW AWFUL YOU ARE....well, you would only say something as cruel as that if you wanted to really, really upset someone, if you wanted to project something that you feel back on them out of spite..so basically to try and make them cry...she didn't cry, well she hasn't atm...but that's what something like that was designed to do....she's grim, he's grim, they're as grim as each other and as me, me, me as each other....and not really seeing that the house/being in the house could be something that they could take positives from, releases that they both may need...

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why do people make out whatever John says is some terrible crime

I don't think John did anything wrong there, other than to get a point across in the best way he felt possible. Not crying at his Dad's funeral and his Mum's illness doesn't he doesn't care or even mean he didn't cry in private, just that he managed to hold those tears back in public, something many of us do I am sure. It isn't disrespect or point scoring for him to mention it, I have heard far far worse said in BBs. The point being missed with some I think is that John was saying in that house with cameras everywhere and nowhere to hide really, he found it hard to hold tears back when being attacked verbally by that moronic hag. Excuse my language, it is rare a BB contestant gets on my nerves so much, so goodness knows how John puts up with her.

[hot2go]

Run along Tiffany....Run along Christopher...The Moose wants her ladies in waiting .....idiots

[hot2go]

What do Tiffany fans think about Gemmas new bitch ? I must admit she sure looks fine when she carries Gemmas sh-t for her....just got that touch of finess that Bell Boy Chris hasn't quite got....but she's not reached his status of servitude just yet,,,,she's gonna have to learn how to smear fake tan on the Mooses family allowance before she gets to those dizzy heights of submission

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by hot2go

What do Tiffany fans think about Gemmas new bitch ? I must admit she sure looks fine when she carries Gemmas sh-t for her....just got that touch of finess that Bell Boy Chris hasn't quite got....but she's not reached his status of servitude just yet,,,,she's gonna have to learn how to smear fake tan on the Mooses family allowance before she gets to those dizzy heights of submission

Deflection because there's no defence of John's crass nomination?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Deflection because there's no defence of John's crass nomination?

I'm sure your absolutely right ....what possible reason would I have to doubt you

[susie q]

I dont know what his father died off, but I do identify with what he said about his mothers illness, which sound as if it is quite advanced. My mother had Alzheimers disease before she died. It is an awful disease that takes away every trace of the person that you once knew and loved. The mother that I loved "died" mentally about 3 years before her physical death. My family did our mourning then, when she actually died it was a release for both her & us. The fact that he put his career on hold to care for as long as he could makes him worthy of some credit. I think he was just using his experience to demonstrate how vile Gemma has been to him & other housemates, which he did very well.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by susie q

I dont know what his father died off, but I do identify with what he said about his mothers illness, which sound as if it is quite advanced. My mother had Alzheimers disease before she died. It is an awful disease that takes away every trace of the person that you once knew and loved. The mother that I loved "died" mentally about 3 years before her physical death. My family did our mourning then, when she actually died it was a release for both her & us. The fact that he put his career on hold to care for as long as he could makes him worthy of some credit. I think he was just using his experience to demonstrate how vile Gemma has been to him & other housemates, which he did very well.

Exactly Susie,it's not rocket science to workout why he said it really,that is of course if you are fair minded.

[Samm]

He's a vile individual

[Tom4784]

God he's an awful human being.

[hot2go]

He nominated the two biggest idiots in the house ,,,,,well done Johnny Boy

[the truth]

john is allright, he cares for his mother that's good enough for me

[rionablue]

I cant stand Gemma but I thought that John could have used other examples of times he may have cried and didn't than his Dad dying and his Mum getting sick. THAT WAS WRONG to the extreme. He could have said Gemma you brought me to tears and that is something very few people have ever done. I don't respect him talking about his parents that way. No matter how much he wanted to put his point across he SHOULD NOT have mentioned it. I cried for weeks when my Dad died and had to get counselling to cope as he died suddenly. Different people react differently and many people hold things in but what John said tonight doesn't endear him to anyone like me who's bottom fell out of their world the day a parent dies.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I cant stand Gemma but I thought that John could have used other examples of times he may have cried and didn't than his Dad dying and his Mum getting sick. THAT WAS WRONG to the extreme. He could have said Gemma you brought me to tears and that is something very few people have ever done. I don't respect him talking about his parents that way. No matter how much he wanted to put his point across he SHOULD NOT have mentioned it. I cried for weeks when my Dad died and had to get counselling to cope as he died suddenly. Different people react differently and many people hold things in but what John said tonight doesn't endear him to anyone like me who's bottom fell out of their world the day a parent dies.

Nicely said Riona.

[jet]

Has John no self respect? I would never in a million years have admitted to Gemma that she made me cry. Never! WTH was he thinking...