[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

John not crying is not the issue. To bring it up twice in such a petty environment, for the purpose of scoring points, was as low as I've seen anyone go for a long time on BB.

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully

I'd hardly say he made his point beautifully but he did show us the kind of man he is.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I'd hardly say he made his point beautifully but he did show us the kind of man he is.

For a certain few ,I suppose it fitted

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't care how low people think it is, he got his point across beautifully

But it's deeply manipulative and obviously so if it's true

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by cassieparis

But it's deeply manipulative and obviously so if it's true

Why do people make out whatever John says is some terrible crime

[Ammi]

..wow, what a cruel, cold-hearted thing to say to someone..I didn't cry when my father died and I didn't cry through my mother's illness but YOU made me cry...that really did reach the lowest low...it could be said that says more about him than it does her..(and she's pretty darn grim as well..)...his emotions are all about him..me, me, me, don't you dare make me unhappy...self-centred...but really he didn't cry for his parents/when his dad dies/when his mum became ill etc so maybe, just maybe he's so very much needed that cry, that release of emotions that being in the BB house has given...so not really a bad thing, the crying in itself bursting to come out..ok, the trigger to it may not be the best and has made him feel miserable but it may still have been a trigger that was so needed....it's not just that though, it's the whole irony of what he so cruelly said...YOU MADE ME CRY, THAT'S HOW AWFUL YOU ARE....well, you would only say something as cruel as that if you wanted to really, really upset someone, if you wanted to project something that you feel back on them out of spite..so basically to try and make them cry...she didn't cry, well she hasn't atm...but that's what something like that was designed to do....she's grim, he's grim, they're as grim as each other and as me, me, me as each other....and not really seeing that the house/being in the house could be something that they could take positives from, releases that they both may need...

[Ammi]

..he made me annoyed....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..he made me annoyed....

I really don't know why? none of us know what his relationship with his father was and a lot of people don't cry at funerals but cry privately,so ,no sorry, I don't see what he has said so wrong again,he was obviously getting across to Gemma how awful her behaviour is ,John is dramatic but he certainly is not cold and cruel imo.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..wow, what a cruel, cold-hearted thing to say to someone..I didn't cry when my father died and I didn't cry through my mother's illness but YOU made me cry...that really did reach the lowest low...it could be said that says more about him than it does her..(and she's pretty darn grim as well..)...his emotions are all about him..me, me, me, don't you dare make me unhappy...self-centred...but really he didn't cry for his parents/when his dad dies/when his mum became ill etc so maybe, just maybe he's so very much needed that cry, that release of emotions that being in the BB house has given...so not really a bad thing, the crying in itself bursting to come out..ok, the trigger to it may not be the best and has made him feel miserable but it may still have been a trigger that was so needed....it's not just that though, it's the whole irony of what he so cruelly said...YOU MADE ME CRY, THAT'S HOW AWFUL YOU ARE....well, you would only say something as cruel as that if you wanted to really, really upset someone, if you wanted to project something that you feel back on them out of spite..so basically to try and make them cry...she didn't cry, well she hasn't atm...but that's what something like that was designed to do....she's grim, he's grim, they're as grim as each other and as me, me, me as each other....and not really seeing that the house/being in the house could be something that they could take positives from, releases that they both may need...

I was pretty horrified at that. Basically it came across as if he was saying to Gemma that my Dad's funeral and my Mum's illness didn't affect me as emotionally as your treatment of ME! I doubt that is true, but it was a callous thing to do to use his parents death and illness to try to hurt someone else. Up until that point I thought his intentions with Darren's nomination could be genuine, but now I think he plays mind games to gain control over others. He's not only arrogant but ruthless too...

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why do people make out whatever John says is some terrible crime

I don't think John did anything wrong there, other than to get a point across in the best way he felt possible. Not crying at his Dad's funeral and his Mum's illness doesn't he doesn't care or even mean he didn't cry in private, just that he managed to hold those tears back in public, something many of us do I am sure. It isn't disrespect or point scoring for him to mention it, I have heard far far worse said in BBs. The point being missed with some I think is that John was saying in that house with cameras everywhere and nowhere to hide really, he found it hard to hold tears back when being attacked verbally by that moronic hag. Excuse my language, it is rare a BB contestant gets on my nerves so much, so goodness knows how John puts up with her.