[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

He is achieving something now is he not? His labours over many years have all been worthwhile and within democratic process....that's commendable isn't it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

What about Hillary? Its a well known fact she achieved nothing as secretary of state apart from taking some (but not all) of the blame for the security breach in Benghazi.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidade.../#1da6345546a4

[Tom4784]

I think you're being very unfair. Can't white people side or fight for the rights of black people? Must we all be doomed to deny that America is facing a serious problem because we're white and we're expected to deny that racism exists because it makes us uncomfortable?

I don't think the point of that ad is to compare Bernie to MLK, he's saying that he supports and endorses the protests, I think he's saying that the protesters can and do embody the spirit of MLK.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you're being very unfair. Can't white people side or fight for the rights of black people? Must we all be doomed to deny that America is facing a serious problem because we're white and we're expected to deny that racism exists because it makes us uncomfortable?

I don't think the point of that ad is to compare Bernie to MLK, he's saying that he supports and endorses the protests, I think he's saying that the protesters can and do embody the spirit of MLK.

it's not unfair at all, why didn't he put this ad out when he was fighting in majority white states Iowa and New Hampshire.... you don't think he's pandering to minorities that he is now putting this out right before he actually has to compete in states that have much larger racial minority populations?

he's obviously pandering to racial minorities just to get their votes. if he actually cared about minorities he would have been talking about these issues and making them the focus of his ads before now.

c'mon, don't be naive.

At least Hillary has been consistent for years now. Bernie sways with the wind.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's not unfair at all, why didn't he put this ad out when he was fighting in majority white states Iowa and New Hampshire.... you don't think he's pandering to minorities that he is now putting this out right before he actually has to compete in states that have much larger racial minority populations?

he's obviously pandering to racial minorities just to get their votes. if he actually cared about minorities he would have been talking about these issues and making them the focus of his ads before now.

c'mon, don't be naive.

At least Hillary has been consistent for years now. Bernie sways with the wind.

It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do in the past. All that matters is that he's supporting the movement now. It's rather desperate and hypocritical to try to slate Bernie for not voicing his support for movements like BlackLivesMatter earlier when you often deny there's a problem with the police in the first place and have often blamed the black victims of Police Brutality in the past when threads have been made about it. Who are you to drag Bernie when you are happy enough to bury your head in the sand?

I think it's ridiculous to say that Hillary is consistent with her views, I do like her a lot and I'd love to see her in the White House if Bernie doesn't get the nod but she's been far more wishy washy than Bernie has ever been.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do in the past. All that matters is that he's supporting the movement now. It's rather desperate and hypocritical to try to slate Bernie for not voicing his support for movements like BlackLivesMatter when you often deny there's a problem with the police in the first place and have often blamed the black victims of Police Brutality in the past when threads have been made about it. Who are you to drag Bernie when you are happy enough to bury your head in the sand?

I think it's ridiculous to say that Hillary is consistent with her views, I do like her a lot and I'd love to see her in the White House if Bernie doesn't get the nod but she's been far more wishy washy than Bernie has ever been.

what are you talking about? I've always said there is a huge issue with police brutality in the US, and the majority of victims of police brutality are WHITE, i said that it's not a race issue. I've never denied there is a serious issue with police brutality and police corruption and police accountability in the US though.

As far as Hillary being more "wishy washy" i think that's just because she's been under far more scrutiny than Bernie for the last 30 Years than Bernie has. had you ever heard of Bernie Sanders before last year? so obviously Hillary has been scrutinized more.

I don't know anyone that heard the name Bernie Sanders before last year, do you? but he's been in the Senate for 25 years//

what does that tell you about his leadership skills? he's been in the senate for 25 years and no one has ever heard of him before...???

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

what are you talking about? I've always said there is a huge issue with police brutality in the US, and the majority of victims of police brutality are WHITE, i said that it's not a race issue. I've never denied there is a serious issue with police brutality and police corruption and police accountability in the US though.

As far as Hillary being more "wishy washy" i think that's just because she's been under far more scrutiny than Bernie for the last 30 Years than Bernie has. had you ever heard of Bernie Sanders before last year? so obviously Hillary has been scrutinized more.

I don't know anyone that heard the name Bernie Sanders before last year, do you? but he's been in the Senate for 25 years//

what does that tell you about his leadership shills, he's been in the senate for 25 years and no one has ever heard of him before...???

No you haven't, usually when there's a thread about Police Brutality in America you become ultra defensive and you'll make posts slating the UK police in order to ignore the issue at hand.

I could reverse that last point back at you and question Hillary's Leadership skills based on the previous failed attempts at gaining the democratic nomination.

[Northern Monkey]

I think it's all **** tbh to get votes.
Choose a target electorate on an emotive issue.In this case black people and baboom.Votes votes votes.Imo.
It could be seen as using murder victims to further his political career.Imo.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think it's all **** tbh to get votes.
Choose a target electorate on an emotive issue.In this case black people and baboom.Votes votes votes.Imo.
It could be seen as using murder victims to further his political career.Imo.

At the risk of my turning green - Bang On Right Paul.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

At the risk of my turning green - Bang On Right Paul.

Green with envy at my amazing post or Green like the man himself Arista?

[bots]

its pretty obvious that it is a video trying to capture a particular vote. If he was known for championing that cause throughout his career, he would be able to list all the things he has championed/achieved in the past

If people are gullible enough to swallow it ... fair play to him

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its pretty obvious that it is a video trying to capture a particular vote. If he was known for championing that cause throughout his career, he would be able to list all the things he has championed/achieved in the past

If people are gullible enough to swallow it ... fair play to him

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think it's all **** tbh to get votes.
Choose a target electorate on an emotive issue.In this case black people and baboom.Votes votes votes.Imo.
It could be seen as using murder victims to further his political career.Imo.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its pretty obvious that it is a video trying to capture a particular vote. If he was known for championing that cause throughout his career, he would be able to list all the things he has championed/achieved in the past

If people are gullible enough to swallow it ... fair play to him

In a nutshell...

If he was British people would be soooo much more cynical.

[Kizzy]

Nay sayers with a mix of halftruths and untruths, mockery and personal opinion based on very little?
Seems it's better to do nothing than attempt anything as it will be shot down then?
That's progressive...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nay sayers with a mix of halftruths and untruths, mockery and personal opinion based on very little?
Seems it's better to do nothing than attempt anything as it will be shot down then?
That's progressive...

Are you the font of all knowledge now with the rest of us who have a different viewpoint speaking lies and half-truths and personal opinion based on very little?

It is NOT a question of 'it's better to do nothing' - Saunders has DONE NOTHING for minorities in over 25 years of being in a position of POWER and AUTHORITY when he has had the LEVERAGE to DO SOMETHING for them.

And just WHAT is he ATTEMPTING?

TALK is cheap and ACTIONS speak louder than words - so he can talk all he wants now that he WANTS something by return, but he has DONE NOTHING in 25 years, so forgive all of us cynics if we LAUGH OUT LOUD when he says he is GOING TO DO SOMETHING NOW.

[lostalex]

Sanders supporters annoy the hell out of me, but really annoys me is that those same people who claim to be so liberal, they probably won't vote for Hillary in the ACTUAL election, and it's just so petty and pedantic, especially because we need to remember this same thing happened 8 years ago, everyone was worried that Hillary supporters wouldn't support Obama after the primary, but we did, Us hillary supporters did bite the bullet and made sure that Obama won, but now we are being treated like **** AGAIN! Hillary supporters have been **** on for 10 years, and i'm sick of playing nice.

[Tom4784]

It's a dumbass argument, If you look at any articles detailing his time as a Senator you'll see that he's been consistent throughout his time in the House. He's held true to his values and has maintained his priorities and integrity through every vote he's been apart of. To use the fact that he didn't support the BlackLivesMatter movement 25 years before it existed as a stick to beat him with is desperate and stupid. It's an issue that's only come to forefront in recent years and he's endorsing it like he's endorsed other social based movements in the past.

To accuse him of pandering without even bothering to look up his history as a senator is ignorant to the extreme.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a dumbass argument, If you look at any articles detailing his time as a Senator you'll see that he's been consistent throughout his time in the House. He's held true to his values and has maintained his priorities and integrity through every vote he's been apart of. To use the fact that he didn't support the BlackLivesMatter movement 25 years before it existed as a stick to beat him with is desperate and stupid. It's an issue that's only come to forefront in recent years and he's endorsing it like he's endorsed other social based movements in the past.

To accuse him of pandering without even bothering to look up his history as a senator is ignorant to the extreme.

Bernies voting records is 100% pure when compared to all the other candidates from either party It is clear what he stands for and he has championed the same causes throughout his time in congress.

Youtube video

Here he is in 1995 having a go at a congressman for his views on, as the congressman puts it, 'homos in the military'.

[bots]

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

Of course it is. Its an election year and he's running for office.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

Yep, anyone one who doesn't want to cast their vote in ignorance will have looked into his background and can see he isn't simply paying lip service and has actually been actively engaged in raising social awareness of issues for many many years.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

It's an election, dear.

He has a history of supporting social causes that other politicians would be fearful to support, this is no different.

If anyone is guilty of pandering it's Hillary.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's an election, dear.

He has a history of supporting social causes that other politicians would be fearful to support, this is no different.

If anyone is guilty of pandering it's Hillary.

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

Yes, Bernie was trying to win some votes with an ad during an election, he's the Devil incarnate.