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kirklancaster · 14-02-2016, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've already pointed that out Girth, as well as being a civil rights campaigner throughout his entire career but its pointless. People who want to jump on the propaganda band wagon 'won't hear, can't hear' you. It doesn't matter how much evidence you bring up either because if the right said he didn't do it, then he didn't do it.

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

DemolitionRed · 14-02-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

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He also made this speech in 1988 to support of then presidential candidate Jesse Jackson.

Thanks for that Girth. He's a great speaker. He wrote a book back in 2010 (just one of his books) called "The Speech" its about an 8 hour speech which includes a lot of talk about repressed American blacks, police brutality and how America keeps the poor, poor and the wealthy rich.

DemolitionRed · 14-02-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

Kizzy · 14-02-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

He is achieving something now is he not? His labours over many years have all been worthwhile and within democratic process....that's commendable isn't it?

Tom4784 · 14-02-2016, 05:03 PM

It's a dumbass argument, If you look at any articles detailing his time as a Senator you'll see that he's been consistent throughout his time in the House. He's held true to his values and has maintained his priorities and integrity through every vote he's been apart of. To use the fact that he didn't support the BlackLivesMatter movement 25 years before it existed as a stick to beat him with is desperate and stupid. It's an issue that's only come to forefront in recent years and he's endorsing it like he's endorsed other social based movements in the past.

To accuse him of pandering without even bothering to look up his history as a senator is ignorant to the extreme.

GiRTh · 14-02-2016, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is pure hokum Red.

No one denied that he was a 'Civil Rights Campaigner' - we are DENYING that he actually achieved ANYTHING of note for minorities during 25 years DESPITE his years of POSTURING, and we are QUESTIONING his MOTIVES now because of this fact.

As for; 'won't hear, can't hear' - there is NO ONE on here more prone to convenient blindness and deafness than some of the Left Wing when faced with rebuttal posts which contain HARD, IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

What about Hillary? Its a well known fact she achieved nothing as secretary of state apart from taking some (but not all) of the blame for the security breach in Benghazi.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidade.../#1da6345546a4

GiRTh · 14-02-2016, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a dumbass argument, If you look at any articles detailing his time as a Senator you'll see that he's been consistent throughout his time in the House. He's held true to his values and has maintained his priorities and integrity through every vote he's been apart of. To use the fact that he didn't support the BlackLivesMatter movement 25 years before it existed as a stick to beat him with is desperate and stupid. It's an issue that's only come to forefront in recent years and he's endorsing it like he's endorsed other social based movements in the past.

To accuse him of pandering without even bothering to look up his history as a senator is ignorant to the extreme.

Bernies voting records is 100% pure when compared to all the other candidates from either party It is clear what he stands for and he has championed the same causes throughout his time in congress.

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Here he is in 1995 having a go at a congressman for his views on, as the congressman puts it, 'homos in the military'.

bots · 14-02-2016, 06:51 PM

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

GiRTh · 14-02-2016, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

Of course it is. Its an election year and he's running for office.

Kizzy · 14-02-2016, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

Yep, anyone one who doesn't want to cast their vote in ignorance will have looked into his background and can see he isn't simply paying lip service and has actually been actively engaged in raising social awareness of issues for many many years.

MTVN · 14-02-2016, 08:56 PM

Also worth bearing in mind that Hilary's support amongst the black population is very strong and it's partly this that she is relying on to hold off the threat from Bernie hence this ad appearing now

Vicky. · 14-02-2016, 09:10 PM

I know nothing at all about this America election thing except that I really do not want Trump to win as he is an asshat

Tom4784 · 14-02-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can spin it however they want, the simple fact is that Bernie's ad is designed to win him some votes. It doesn't talk about his record, it tries to play on the emotional strings of black voters.

I'm not saying its wrong for him to do it, I just don't see him as a saviour given his history or that advert

It's an election, dear.

He has a history of supporting social causes that other politicians would be fearful to support, this is no different.

If anyone is guilty of pandering it's Hillary.

bots · 14-02-2016, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's an election, dear.

He has a history of supporting social causes that other politicians would be fearful to support, this is no different.

If anyone is guilty of pandering it's Hillary.

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

Tom4784 · 14-02-2016, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

Yes, Bernie was trying to win some votes with an ad during an election, he's the Devil incarnate.

GiRTh · 14-02-2016, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Please don't try your condescending crap with me. My point was perfectly clear

Its not too clear TBH. Every single candidate in the history of elections in any democratic country has probably used an advert to win votes. So your point isnt very clear at all. Are you accusing Bernie of pandering? Then accuse every body else too. Bernie has the most consistent voting record of all the candidates in any party . It is clear what he believes in and what he stand for; this is one of the topics he has been vocal about for years.

Kizzy · 14-02-2016, 11:11 PM

I thought the advertisement thing there was like our party political broadcasts?

GiRTh · 14-02-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought the advertisement thing there was like our party political broadcasts?

Very similar.

reece(: · 14-02-2016, 11:54 PM

Come through Bernie

lostalex · 15-02-2016, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody slates the US police, they comment on the story. It's always you that basically says 'YEAH WELL THE UK POLICE ARE BAD TOO SO TAKE THAT!' because you can't cope with the fact that the USA isn't the perfect country you think it is. No country is perfect.

Well i disagree, i think you are wrong.