[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Redway

That wouldn't just be indicative of Muslims, though. I'm sure a similar number of Christians would think the same.

Religion's notorious for homophobia in general and that's not something specific to Islam.

52% of Christians would think homosexuality should be illegal? I doubt that very much. I'd be amazed if it was higher than 10%

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

52% of Christians would think homosexuality should be illegal? I doubt that very much. I'd be amazed if it was higher than 10%

It depends on the branch of Christianity, obviously, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find the vast majority of some hardcore denominations questioning the legality of homosexuality.

I haven't read the thing properly yet but it's pretty even from what I can see. 52% might be a sizeable proportion but there's clearly just as many who don't have an issue with the legal status of it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

52% of Christians would think homosexuality should be illegal? I doubt that very much. I'd be amazed if it was higher than 10%

Ask the Anglicans, ask the African Anglicans you might be surprised.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean



This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias

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If this thread was about Christians this would be upheld as fact

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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If this thread was about Christians this would be upheld as fact

So true. Tbh I'm totally not surprised it turned into a debate about Christians being worse.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

So true. Tbh I'm totally not surprised it turned into a debate about Christians being worse.

Yeah, it really hasn't if you're talking about me. All I did was point out that I wouldn't be surprised if some branches of Christianity thought the same. There's hardly pages' worth of Christianity vs. Islam.

I'm no fan of Islam by any stretch of the imagination but it's not crazy to suggest that those stats are there to bolster a biased agenda.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yeah, it really hasn't if you're talking about me. All I did was point out that I wouldn't be surprised if some branches of Christianity thought the same. There's hardly pages' worth of Christianity vs. Islam.

I'm no fan of Islam by any stretch of the imagination but it's not crazy to suggest that those stats are there to bolster a biased agenda.

I was just talking about it in general

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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If this thread was about Christians this would be upheld as fact

I am astonished how many Egyptians are on this forum when it comes to any truths about Muslims, because that's when they're all in DE NIAL.

This poll was carried out among ORDINARY Muslims - NOT extremists - yet we have responses claiming a similar result would be obtained if EXTREMIST Christians were polled. The two are not the same by a country mile.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This poll was carried out among ORDINARY Muslims - NOT extremists - yet we have responses claiming a similar result would be obtained if EXTREMIST Christians were polled. The two are not the same by a country mile.

Originally Posted by Wonderful wonderful meee

It just so happens that Islamic communities tend towards the more "heavily religious" than vaguely quasi-Christian communities where only something like 10% of people who call themselves Christian actually attend church etc.

"Ordinary" Muslims are more strictly religious than "Ordinary" Christians. This is the only reason that the poll results would differ.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=MTVN;8605139]The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean



This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias[/QUOTE]

[Marsh.]

Rylan Clark-Neals fingernails support this theory.

[arista]

52% of Muslims say Gays should be illegal.


Is the correct title , now

Will be on CH4HD 10PM Weds
"What British Muslims Really Think"

[DemolitionRed]

52% of the Muslims asked but how many hundred/thousand/million were asked?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

52% of the Muslims asked but how many hundred/thousand/million were asked?

1,801

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder how many muslim men are gay as compared to the UK average

probably higher

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wonder how many muslim men are gay as compared to the UK average

probably higher

Yes but if the are Gay
they are no longer in the family etc.
Even harder for Gay Muslims

[bots]

Well, the first question to ask is what % is it when asking random members of the public rather than a specific group, then there is something to compare it against

[MTVN]

The closest comparison amongst Christians I can find is this poll from 2011:

Six in ten respondents (61%) agree that homosexuals should have the same legal rights in all aspects of their lives as heterosexuals, and those who disapprove of sexual relations between two adults of the same sex (29%) are greatly outnumbered by those who do not (46%).

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...s-in-2011.aspx

So far from wanting homosexuality to be illegal, nearly two thirds of Christians think they should have the same rights in every aspect of their lives, and only 29% disapprove of same sex couples. Yes some Christian branches will be more conservative, but like Kirk says thats irrelevant given that this was a poll of Muslims as a whole not of one extreme branch so its not comparing like with like.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The closest comparison amongst Christians I can find is this poll from 2011:



So far from wanting homosexuality to be illegal, nearly two thirds of Christians think they should have the same rights in every aspect of their lives, and only 29% disapprove of same sex couples. Yes some Christian branches will be more conservative, but like Kirk says thats irrelevant given that this was a poll of Muslims as a whole not of one extreme branch so its not comparing like with like.

Fair dos. I won't argue with statistics but it's clear to me that whoever initiated that article isn't a huge fan of Muslims in general and those results only serve to bolster his bias. Even if they are accurate.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The closest comparison amongst Christians I can find is this poll from 2011:



So far from wanting homosexuality to be illegal, nearly two thirds of Christians think they should have the same rights in every aspect of their lives, and only 29% disapprove of same sex couples. Yes some Christian branches will be more conservative, but like Kirk says thats irrelevant given that this was a poll of Muslims as a whole not of one extreme branch so its not comparing like with like.

Isn't it ironic to rely on a study by the Richard Dawkins foundation to gather data on Christians?

[bots]

here is an interesting graph plotting 1983 to 2010




http://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitu...ds-gay-rights/

[the truth]

the self defeating liberals will bury their heads in the politically correct sand and blame everything on the daily mail. the truth is vast numbers of muslims do have some hardline views on homosexuality womens rights and human rights

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by the truth

the self defeating liberals will bury their heads in the politically correct sand and blame everything on the daily mail. the truth is vast numbers of muslims do have some hardline views on homosexuality womens rights and human rights

this is true, but so do many other religions. look at Africa. many countries are predominately Christian and have extreme anti-gay laws. Look at Russia, that's not a Muslim country, but has extreme anti-gay laws and homophobia is rife. North Carolina is trying to pass an anti-gay law. That's not a Muslim state.

It's not a Muslim issue. It's an issue with many people, religious or not.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Firewire

this is true, but so do many other religions. look at Africa. many countries are predominately Christian and have extreme anti-gay laws. Look at Russia, that's not a Muslim country, but has extreme anti-gay laws and homophobia is rife. North Carolina is trying to pass an anti-gay law. That's not a Muslim state.

It's not a Muslim issue. It's an issue with many people, religious or not.

Exactly what I was trying to say, pretty much.

I don't think anyone's pulling out the PC card for pointing out that those statistics were probably done with an anti-Muslim agenda in mind. You can just tell by the way the bloke talks about them in a less than favourable light.

[Cherie]

It's annoying though because there seems to be a soft approach to religious Muslims, they are "allowed" to have their beliefs because they are strict in their religion, but at the same time white Christians are hauled over the coals if they have strict beliefs and belittled, that we live in England and this is happening is quite alarming, we should be treating everyone in the same way not chipping away at one section while allowing another section freedom