[Oaker]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

2010 was worse than any C5 season apart from 2011.

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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

2010 was worse than any C5 season apart from 2011.

It was waaaay worse than 2011, by miles in fact

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was waaaay worse than 2011, by miles in fact

Wasn't 2011 BB12?

At least BB11 had big characters like Ben, Govan, Sunshine, Shabby, John James, and Josie, love them or hate them they all offered something to the series.

BB12 had Aaron that lasted long enough to contribute anything to the series, but that was about it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Wasn't 2011 BB12?

At least BB11 had big characters like Ben, Govan, Sunshine, Shabby, John James, and Josie, love them or hate them they all offered something to the series.

BB12 had Aaron that lasted long enough to contribute anything to the series, but that was about it.

I hated BB11 with a passion, those HMs you listed were just meh to me, I was totally indifferent to them

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I hated BB11 with a passion, those HMs you listed were just meh to me, I was totally indifferent to them

Oh I understand as I really disliked John James and Shabby in particular.

But nothing will be worse than a combined lineup that has Louise, Tom, Faye, Jemma, and Jay in there.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Wasn't 2011 BB12?

At least BB11 had big characters like Ben, Govan, Sunshine, Shabby, John James, and Josie, love them or hate them they all offered something to the series.

BB12 had Aaron that lasted long enough to contribute anything to the series, but that was about it.

[Maxxie.]

Well, it would be against all the odds but it is always possible for regular BB to bounce back because from 2011-2013 BB and CBB were both in the same boat and for 13 years they were always considered the same show "do you watch Big Brother?" when you're referring to cbb4. But then, CBB bounced back in Jim Davidson's series and kept that streak running, it's never had a bad series since. Also you may have noticed they know say "do you watch celebrity big brother?" when reffering to cbb13/15/17.

It took 5 c5 series of cbb before they suddenly got it right and BB is about to start it's 6th c5 series so it's really make or break (even more). If it starts getting ratings for highlights shows and/or the final that is better than the launch, that is when we know c5 have got it right.

[Pete.]

I don't think they should axe BB because it's clear that we are not going to get BB6 again but I'd must prefer a civilian BB with people who want to be there than with an extended CBB with loads of celebs quitting because its too long.

[Rob!]

BB14 was an amazing series. And tbh there is still a lot of good in the civilian series except that the majority of viewers want a different thing out of it than the hardcores do.

[Jason.]

BB17 will make or break BB. They just need a production team overhaul. If BB17 is as bad as BB15/16, then they should just put the show out of its misery, because it's currently at a franchise low atm.

BB13/14 were two brilliant series and like someone else said, they only aired a few years back, so I don't see why they can't produce a decent series in 2016. Especially given the same production team (I think) have managed to produce a decent/fantastic CBB series consistently over the last two years.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jason.

BB17 will make or break BB. They just need a production team overhaul. If BB17 is as bad as BB15/16, then they should just put the show out of its misery, because it's currently at a franchise low atm.

BB13/14 were two brilliant series and like someone else said, they only aired a few years back, so I don't see why they can't produce a decent series in 2016. Especially given the same production team (I think) have managed to produce a decent/fantastic CBB series consistently over the last two years.

Even CBB17 was **** though as it was just the Stephanie and Gemma show.

[joeysteele]

I like both series, BB and CBB, so I would want them both sustained.

All that is really wrong with BB series now for me is the endless twists and far too much BB interference in events.
I still like to learn about the housemates generally.

[T*]

Or don't

[jyunga]

I wish they'd stop forcing story lines in civilian and just let the game play out without twists.

[Josy]

What a horrendous idea

[BBUKAUSFAN]

If you don't like it don't watch it.
I'm Happy to have both civilian and celebrity, the show is and will always be amazing to me no matter format changed, twists, dire housemates. Its a show that I've grown up watching and I'm not ready to let go yet.

[Strictly Jake]

As I have started reading Ben eltons dead famous, please no one tell me what happens, I really really really want a back to basics series