[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It wasn't Ds wine ,and yes under any circumstance you say Thank you and please

Under any circumstances? If someone stole more of the alcohol than they were entitled to, and you asked them for a glass which YOU were perfectly entitled to, you would say thank you to them for deigning to give you a half empty glass? Well well, I never thought of you as the cap doffing type. You are so feisty online too.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I am the first one to moan about the over use of the words victim and bully (especially on BB) but..

Lewis making Heavy D beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass of stolen wine - that was deliberate intimidation and bullying behaviour from Lewis, aimed intentionally at making Heavy feel and look small.

Saira standing over Heavy with her foot on his bed, ignoring him when he asked her to leave him alone and saying 'i can go where i like, what you gonna do about it', then threatening to burst his balloon, intimidating him, making him say what she wanted to hear including 'say my name SAY MY NAME' (even though she called him Bear in the same convo) - THAT was also intimidating, bullying behaviour, designed to make him feel small.

Heavy is annoying and is not acting the victim at all. But he has been repeatedly talked to and treated like dirt by both Lewis and Saira.

It's best not to pigeon hole people as 'bullies and victims', it's not black and white, we are all capable of being good and bad. But there is certain behaviour that is out of order and crosses the line.

So far Lewis and Saira have acted in a way designed to intimidate and cause deliberate upset to others. Particularly they have aimed this cruelty at Heavy D.

Thank you. Just because Heavy D can be annoying isn't a reason why it's okay to bully him. People who aren't disgusted at the behaviour of Lewis and Siara towards him must have a very low opinion of themselves because it seems it wouldn't bother them to be treated that way themselves but would make excuses for their tormentor. How sad and revealing.
Or alternatively they are just being deliberately obtuse.

[jaxie]

I don't think Heavy D is a victim, no. If it wasn't for Chloe and jealousy he would have been right in there with Bear and Lewis terrorising the house. I don't think he has many mates either but he is a provocative person and can't seem to stop once he starts. He's also coming over as really dim, maybe that's where all the sympathy is directed.

I don't think for one minute that Lewis and Bear's friendship is that genuine either, they both recognise that an alliance suits them now. If it stopped suiting them, watch them go straight for each others throats.

[Cal.]

I don't see that he's a victim at all?

[Lostie!]

I can't really warm to Heavy D. He was a part of that group and got involved in their dickishness before they turned on him.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I can't really warm to Heavy D. He was a part of that group and got involved in their dickishness before they turned on him.

He wasnt a victim when he was part of the wind up merchants group, or when he invaded James personal space, or when he told Saira she has her beak in everyone's business, or when he referred to Chloe as an inanimate object, or when he laughs in people's faces when they are offended, or when he made someone wash his dirty under wear, or when he BOOMS like a ****** when people have just got out of bed....
He's no more a victim than Bear is a victim

[hot2go]

I think it's a misconception that by not defending Heavy D people are in turn defending Lewis....they each cut their own path to the aggressive situation in the garden, they were as bad as each other .... there aren't many who like Lewis any more than they like Heavy....In fact Heavy has way more support and followers....I think Heavy started that evenings resentment when he earlier offended Saira, Lewis then defended Saira and told Heavy he thought he was a really nasty man. Heavy had clearly got Lewis' back up, which, like Bear, he is very good at. Lewis then retaliated with the drinks situation and then Heavy retaliated by calling Marnie a liar.
Two people having an argument does not constitute bullying. Heavy D is an agitator not a victim of bullying. When housemates react to being wound up by Bear we don't accuse them of bullying him, so why do we do that with Heavy D ?

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I think it's a misconception that by not defending Heavy D people are in turn defending Lewis....they each cut their own path to the aggressive situation in the garden, they were as bad as each other .... there aren't many who like Lewis any more than they like Heavy....In fact Heavy has way more support and followers....I think Heavy started that evenings resentment when he earlier offended Saira, Lewis then defended Saira and told Heavy he thought he was a really nasty man. Heavy had clearly got Lewis' back up, which, like Bear, he is very good at. Lewis then retaliated with the drinks situation and then Heavy retaliated by calling Marnie a liar.
Two people having an argument does not constitute bullying. Heavy D is an agitator not a victim of bullying. When housemates react to being wound up by Bear we don't accuse them of bullying him, so why do we do that with Heavy D ?

Watch re - runs with an open mind.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Watch re - runs with an open mind.

Have no idea what that means .... Prob cause you often pull out a random sentence so it changes its meaning while at the same time not actually responding to the post as a whole,....tbh I find it a bit childish when it's done so often by same people and would prefer or more considered and complete reaction to the complete post.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Have no idea what that means .... Prob cause you often pull out a random sentence so it changes its meaning while at the same time not actually responding to the post as a whole,....tbh I find it a bit childish when it's done so often by same people and would prefer or more considered and complete reaction to the complete post.

It means you are saying things in your post which you are seeing from the perspective that you don't like Heavy and are therefore unwilling to see that he was bullied on that occasion (which most of us can) and if you can manage to watch the footage again with an open mind you might realise that.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

It means you are saying things in your post which you are seeing from the perspective that you don't like Heavy and are therefore unwilling to see that he was bullied on that occasion (which most of us can) and if you can manage to watch the footage again with an open mind you might realise that.

But I don't agree with you....I don't like Heavy, Lewis or Marnie...so I think that makes me more objective than other people who like one or all of them...I also don't consider the start of the problems to be the point where Heavy wanted some wine, I have a more open mind about it and I looked at what was also taking place leading up to that point....Sairas indignation over Heavys remarks, Lewis' contempt for the way Heavy spoke to her...Lewis previous remark that heavy is greedy and bad mannered.
It's logical that there has to be a reason for the resentment that was already in place when the drinks came out....every action has a reaction and the root of that situation goes a lot further back then the point where Marnie and Lewis hid the drinks.
People act like he is suddenly being resented by housemates for no reason and therefore being bullied and I know that is absolute rubbish .....have they forgot what a pain in the arse he was with Bear the first week....what a pig he was to Chloe...how aggressive he got with Bear when he thought Bear has vandalised his bed. This is no poor put upon victim....this is someone who was in the gang of wind up merchants himself then exiled himself by being a prick and now looks like a victim.
At least my villain of choice is accountable for it and owns it...

[billy123]

Why does everyone have to be defined as either a bully or a victim? Its so stupid and is getting boring fast.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Why does everyone have to be defined as either a bully or a victim? Its so stupid and is getting boring fast.

The B word is taken over from the R and H words !! so bloody boring

[Braden]

From what I've seen I do think he was a victim in the situation where Lewis and Marnie hid the alcohol, and he was treated horribly by Lewis in particular after he caught on to what they were doing.

I do, however, think that he's a wind-up merchant like you said. I'm not fond of him much. He can be equally as obnoxious as Bear at times.

[Withano]

To be fair, Bear has genuinely victimised everybody in the house. I think Heavy has got it the worse.

Also these sort of threads should be closed. Why would you ask a question and argue at the answers.

[hot2go]

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

How can Bear be seen as a victim when hasn't been bullied?

What you are saying is nobody should ever complain when someone is being humiliated and demeaned because that will make people call them a victim....just say nothing...let it carry on and look away....

I really can't go on debating with you, I'm feeling quite sick now.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

Even placid james ranted about him when he nominated him ,and if he can get on laid back James nerves can you imagine what he's like if you're NOT laid back ?

[Dia]

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dia

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

He didn't force her. But he was wrong to do that. I think we all agreed on that. Yuck!

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Dia

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

After calling her "IT!"

[rubymoo]

I wouldn't say he was a victim, he can more than hold his own! I think he's a wind up but there's more of a soul in him than in bear, I think what he gives out he's got back, and I think there's more to him than meets the eye, I think his loud persona hides a very sad man with low esteem.

[chuff me dizzy]

Just look and listen to the sheer ignorance of this pratt ,and waiting for the pity chasing "Im the underdog" getting dropped into it

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/heavy...t-again-day-13

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Just look and listen to the sheer ignorance of this pratt ,and waiting for the pity chasing "Im the underdog" getting dropped into it

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/heavy...t-again-day-13

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites

Ricky an underdog ? hes fav to win and SO bloody arrogant ,he's attached himself to the sink to stop himself getting nominated and kissed everyones arses ,he's FAR from the underdog IMO James is that