[bots]

An EU army makes more sense than it did now that the UK is leaving. The majority of EU countries don't have much protection and Germany isn't allowed to do anything. Its irrelevant to us now anyway, but Junkers opinion never has mattered.

[Northern Monkey]

A brilliant reply to this speech on the issue from the man who gave us our escape from this dictatorship

Youtube video

[Johnnyuk123]

Didn't the EU remain camp clearly state that there is NEVER going to be an EU Army?
I think an explanation would be nice. thanks.

[the truth]

the eu is simply frightening, far moreso than the usa

[Niamh.]

I wonder where we'd stand in all of this, Ireland is supposed to be a neutral country

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wonder where we'd stand in all of this, Ireland is supposed to be a neutral country

You would probably hire Dad's Army

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You would probably hire Dad's Army

We do have an Army but they're like, peace keepers or some s**t

[kirklancaster]

I will wager EVERYTHING I own - EVERYTHING which I have worked ALL my life for - that the number of crimes of ALL types perpetrated BY migrants, FAR outnumber ANY crimes perpetrated AGAINST them by indigenous BRITISH people.

I am personally fecking sick and tired of the same old cliched, hackneyed, ANTI-BRITISH propaganda incessantly plastered all over this forum from the same quarters - which is one of the main reasons why I do not post much on here any more.

It is so tedious and so predictable.

Just my personal opinion of some of the VIEWS expressed on here. I am NOT personally ATTACKING anyone just criticising some of the views.

[Niamh.]

Can we stop with the "some people" posts please?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can we stop with the "some people" posts please?

I apologise Niamh - Post corrected.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can we stop with the "some people" posts please?

It seems like some people just can't, sadly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It seems like some people just can't, sadly.

less of your cheek Mister

[Livia]

No one knows who voted in or out, it's not something that anyone is obliged to reveal, ever. What's more, it would make no difference to a criminal proceeding at all. There are no statistics on whether people who voted to leave are more violent/racist than those who voted remain. I am also a lawyer. I have access to all kinds of statistics... but not those. Because they don't exist.

[Tom4784]

1. English is a nationality, not a race.

2. Patriotism is a poison, I'd rather see things for what they are then blind myself with a rose tinted view of what I want things to be.

3. Hate crimes did become more prevalent after the vote and they were only the reported ones. The result of Brexit was decided on the issue of immigration, lots of ignorant people voted for an exit although ultimately the vote wouldn't affect immigration either way. I can't say I approve of the EU's shade but if I'm honest, I can't say it's wrong. Pointing out the rise of neo-nazism in Germany doesn't lessen the rise in hate crime here as a result of Brexit.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

1. English is a nationality, not a race.

2. Patriotism is a poison, I'd rather see things for what they are then blind myself with a rose tinted view of what I want things to be.

3. Hate crimes did become more prevalent after the vote and they were only the reported ones. The result of Brexit was decided on the issue of immigration, lots of ignorant people voted for an exit although ultimately the vote wouldn't affect immigration either way. I can't say I approve of the EU's shade but if I'm honest, I can't say it's wrong. Pointing out the rise of neo-nazism in Germany doesn't lessen the rise in hate crime here as a result of Brexit.

Not really disagreeing with your points. but equally the term racists have been thrown around when its actually nationalist in nature, not racist. The whole issue is being mis termed and confused.

I don't really think racist issues have increased since brexit, I do believe there has been a clear, marked increase in nationalism since brexit. I defy anyone to deny that, and it has been accompanied by hate in a minority of cases.

I think when this is clarified, to me anyway, it identifies the issues that we do have now.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Not really disagreeing with your points. but equally the term racists have been thrown around when its actually nationalist in nature, not racist. The whole issue is being mis termed and confused.

I don't really think racist issues have increased since brexit, I do believe there has been a clear, marked increase in nationalism since brexit. I defy anyone to deny that, and it has been accompanied by hate in a minority of cases.

I think when this is clarified, to me anyway, it identifies the issues that we do have now.

I don't think there's been a rise in racism either, it's always been there, it's just that the racists felt emboldened when Brexit won.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think there's been a rise in racism either, it's always been there, it's just that the racists felt emboldened when Brexit won.

Yes, I can agree with that.

I think also, people who voted to leave - like myself - who do not consider themselves racist and, indeed in some cases come from a small ethnic group themselves, should make it clear at every opportunity that their decision was not based solely on immigration and that racists using the vote as an excuse are scum. But we already knew that. Like you say, racism has always been there. When my family came over to this country after the war they were welcomed by the majority... but despite what they'd just been through, they were abused by a small section of society.

Less than a lifetime ago this country went to war for Poland. I don't think we've changed that much as a country... I just think racists are challenged on their beliefs more, and I approve of that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

1. English is a nationality, not a race.

2. Patriotism is a poison, I'd rather see things for what they are then blind myself with a rose tinted view of what I want things to be.

3. Hate crimes did become more prevalent after the vote and they were only the reported ones. The result of Brexit was decided on the issue of immigration, lots of ignorant people voted for an exit although ultimately the vote wouldn't affect immigration either way. I can't say I approve of the EU's shade but if I'm honest, I can't say it's wrong. Pointing out the rise of neo-nazism in Germany doesn't lessen the rise in hate crime here as a result of Brexit.

The Oxford English dictionary defines race as a group of persons connected by common descent. That's good enough for me.

Everyone who doesn't share your pessimistic view is deluded then?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The Oxford English dictionary defines race as a group of persons connected by common descent. That's good enough for me.

Everyone who doesn't share your pessimistic view is deluded then?

English is an ethnicity, not a race. The race classification of English people is obviously varied but mainly caucasian.
There are only four "major" races, caucasian, negroid or black, australoid and mongoloid or asian.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The Oxford English dictionary defines race as a group of persons connected by common descent. That's good enough for me.

Everyone who doesn't share your pessimistic view is deluded then?

You can think that but it doesn't change the fact that english is a nationality and not a race, english people don't all share one common genealogy but people of the same race do.

Your last point is combative to the extreme, stick to discussing my post and not getting personal by attributing your own impressions to my intent.

[Northern Monkey]

Since when did wanting to control immigration from western predominantly white countries become racism?Somebody argued that 'English' is'nt a raceWell neither is Polish,Czech,Latvian or Spanish

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Since when did wanting to control immigration from western predominantly white countries become racism?Somebody argued that 'English' is'nt a raceWell neither is Polish,Czech,Latvian or Spanish

It's crazy isn't it? And there were so many other reasons to vote Brexit yet again and again it's made into a race issue.

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, can I ask people to just stick to discussing the topic and not eachother when i reopen this. It's not that hard, surely?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Closed for cleaning, can I ask people to just stick to discussing the topic and not eachother when i reopen this. It's not that hard, surely?

That's Dedication
You are such a Fine Lady

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Closed for cleaning, can I ask people to just stick to discussing the topic and not eachother when i reopen this. It's not that hard, surely?

It isn't, but don't call me surely