[Maru]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree Maru, but though I BELIEVE that some complainants were shouting about their need for choccy woccy, I don't think that the chocolate was ALL they were complaining about when the reports from other sources are read.

I was just being a tad lazy.

That link is very interesting by the way.

I just love devoting hours of research on events that 'Did NOT happen'.

By the way, I came across this by some wag on the internet:

"The gelatin that is used to make gummi bears is made from rendered PORK bones. Yuuuuummmy!"

Oh when I say I don't care... it's to say I don't care if someone becomes disgruntled over something that comes down to wording. We all have differing perspectives on things. I can accept this easily.

Kirk, I wish my husband had more time to post... he would be really enlightening as to the idiotic things that go on where he works. Not really pertaining to those who are mentally ill, but those in housing... he has talk people through some of their own reasoning to get them to change their mind and to go from resistance to compliance... people are just silly.

Other stories are just downright not believable. Most officers say they have been asked some details and when they tell folk, they just can't believe it... Some things are closer to the truth than people actually really realize

As a debater though, I can't really debate something without non-biased sources... I tend to believe the sillier side of things, again... from vast experience and my husband's own stories, I can't immediately discount it. Still, I don't think that it would even change the mind of someone on the opposing side to hear these stories... for most folk, seeing is believing. But good luck with that, some people are too busy playing armchair politician to check what really happens outside their chair... aside from that, most counter arguments on this board are from an emotional standpoint... and you can't argue someone's feeling on matters. That's really personal to them and I've never successfully changed someone's 'feeling' about something... it comes down to their willpower and willingness to leave their comfort zone and look for perspective.

That last bit was a little OT, but I guess it applies to this thread.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Dailymail has a different wording of it (read: less click-baity)

Refugee camp in Dusseldorf is burned down by migrants 'who were furious they had not received a wake-up for Ramadan breakfast'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...breakfast.html

Some trivialities may differ in one report to another, but the TENET remains irrefutable.

They burnt down the Asylum Centre because they DID NOT GET THEIR OWN WAY.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Some trivialities may differ in one report to another, but the TENET remains irrefutable.

They burnt down the Asylum Centre because they DID NOT GET THEIR OWN WAY.

Oh I agree, however it is worded... a silly and ridiculous reason to burn down a building. Again, only knowing what I have heard from people who deal with them first hand... criminals have and will commit crimes for the silliest and often stupidest of reasons. Often there are stories around it that involve details the public often will not accept and are unwilling to believe. We are desensitized to political rhetoric and are sheltered from most of the weird world we co-exist with--it's not only the mundane things fly under the radar, but often times really telling stories that enlighten to as what really goes on in the rest of the world... much less what is happening underneath our noses.

Our neighbors south of the border, imo, don't bring in some of the more colorful headlines that I read on here... many are hardworking folk that come in, but I think in Europe, the experiences/opinions will be more diverse as far as immigration is concerned, complicated by political uprisings and the media spin...that's without even bringing up terrorism. We only have to worry about a secondary language in terms of integrating illegal immigrants, whereas you have to provide support folk from multiple backgrounds, regions as well as the social problems that follow them here. I couldn't begin to dissect all that as my knowledge is limited mostly to the US in that respect. My husband is very knowledgeable in world history, especially military history, various cultural and geographical issues in Europe... so he is the one who usually enlightens me on those subjects.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Oh I agree, however it is worded... a silly and ridiculous reason to burn down a building. Again, only knowing what I have heard from people who deal with them first hand... criminals have and will commit crimes for the silliest and often stupidest of reasons. Often there are stories around it that involve details the public often will not accept and are unwilling to believe. We are desensitized to political rhetoric and are sheltered from most of the weird world we co-exist with--it's not only the mundane things fly under the radar, but often times really telling stories that enlighten to as what really goes on in the rest of the world... much less what is happening underneath our noses.

Our neighbors south of the border, imo, don't bring in some of the more colorful headlines that I read on here... many are hardworking folk that come in, but I think in Europe, the experiences/opinions will be more diverse as far as immigration is concerned, complicated by political uprisings and the media spin...that's without even bringing up terrorism. We only have to worry about a secondary language in terms of integrating illegal immigrants, whereas you have to provide support folk from multiple backgrounds, regions as well as the social problems that follow them here. I couldn't begin to dissect all that as my knowledge is limited mostly to the US in that respect. My husband is very knowledgeable in world history, especially military history, various cultural and geographical issues in Europe... so he is the one who usually enlightens me on those subjects.

If your hubby is REALLY your superior in knowledge on ANY subject Maru, I would HATE to be called upon to adjudicate any intellectual argument in your home between hubby and you.

I would not - frankly - be equal to the task. (I shall blame dilapidation due my old age. )

[Maru]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If your hubby is REALLY your superior in knowledge on ANY subject Maru, I would HATE to be called upon to adjudicate any intellectual argument in your home between hubby and you.

I would not - frankly - be equal to the task. (I shall blame dilapidation due my old age. )

I've lost plenty of arguments, kirk My current post count is nothing compared to what it used to be in my college/heavily caffeinated years.

[Kizzy]

I am seriously thinking of leaving this forum, the 'alt right' is on the rise here!
What on earth is a thread stating 'send the bastards back' doing on serious debates?..... All week it has just been a barrage of attacks against Muslims or immigrants, thread after thread.
It's beyond a joke now.

[Cherie]

Makes a change from the a trump threads I guess?

[Ammi]

...so terrifying when you think of how this could have turned out and many could be dead now, there's just no condoning or justifying what these two men did in starting the fire...looking at some pics from the Daily Mail and the deflation and despair of people in the centre.....no thought for them at all and seeming some kind of build up and tensions with some security guards and a few of the centre's occupants and then Ramadan practises being a final trigger in the escalation of those tensions...just a few people causing so much damage and endangering so many...

..the link for the other report of the 45 arson type incidents seems to be mostly incidents by residents/locals against immigrant camps/centres..., not those who are resident in them...80% arson attacks on centres, also endangering all in the camp..it's all extremely worrying with those who obviously fear or hate or whatever their reasoning, possibly becoming themselves the very thing that they fear in their actions...it's so sad how extreme terrorism seems to be winning in it's planting of those fear seeds and then it's just for them to smile at watching them grow and watching the mistrust and fear all destroy itself...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so terrifying when you think of how this could have turned out and many could be dead now, there's just no condoning or justifying what these two men did in starting the fire...looking at some pics from the Daily Mail and the deflation and despair of people in the centre.....no thought for them at all and seeming some kind of build up and tensions with some security guards and a few of the centre's occupants and then Ramadan practises being a final trigger in the escalation of those tensions...just a few people causing so much damage and endangering so many...

..the link for the other report of the 45 arson type incidents seems to be mostly incidents by residents/locals against immigrant camps/centres..., not those who are resident in them...80% arson attacks on centres, also endangering all in the camp..it's all extremely worrying with those who obviously fear or hate or whatever their reasoning, possibly becoming themselves the very thing that they fear in their actions...it's so sad how extreme terrorism seems to be winning in it's planting of those fear seeds and then it's just for them to smile at watching them grow and watching the mistrust and fear all destroy itself...

Great points Ammi, in a fair and balanced post.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Makes a change from the a trump threads I guess?

The trump threads are what triggered this right wing wankathon....I'm out for a while it stinks in here!!!

(James, Josy sort it out or rename the forum This Is Breitbart Bollox!)


Kiz Out *drops mic

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The trump threads are what triggered this right wing wankathon....I'm out for a while it stinks in here!!!

(James, Josy sort it out or rename the forum This Is Breitbart Bollox!)


Kiz Out *drops mic

What exactly would James/Josy be sorting out? the threads are usually in the main reflections of what is dominating the news at any given time, anyone can post a thread as long as it is within the rules of the forum I don't see the issue. You don't have to read or react to every thread Kiz

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What exactly would James/Josy be sorting out? the threads are usually in the main reflections of what is dominating the news at any given time, anyone can post a thread as long as it is within the rules of the forum I don't see the issue. You don't have to read or react to every thread Kiz

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What exactly would James/Josy be sorting out? the threads are usually in the main reflections of what is dominating the news at any given time, anyone can post a thread as long as it is within the rules of the forum I don't see the issue. You don't have to read or react to every thread Kiz

Certainly a good thread shouldn't be closed or interfered with because a poster is frustrated that many of the opinions aren't in keeping with their own. Debate will always involve having to tolerate opinions that some are not comfortable with - it works both ways.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What exactly would James/Josy be sorting out? the threads are usually in the main reflections of what is dominating the news at any given time, anyone can post a thread as long as it is within the rules of the forum I don't see the issue. You don't have to read or react to every thread Kiz

The sheer number of the right wing propaganda threads, I don't respond to all of them ...doesn't mean they aren't there :/

They are rather subtle I'll give you that.

[Firewire]

I can't believe jihadi watch and brietbart are considered valid sources

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I can't believe jihadi watch and brietbart are considered valid sources

WHY? If WHAT they are reporting is TRUE, and if it mirrors the same reportage from other - more mainstream media, why are they not valid sources?

Did this incident HAPPEN or didn't it. THAT is what is important here.

[Brillopad]

Personally I am finding some comments/discussion at the moment rather patronising. I feel there should be room for both in-depth discussion and less in-depth discussion on subjects that interest many people. Almost sounds a little elitist. As long as people are not being over-the-top with their 'insults' I don't see any significant problems.

[jennyjuniper]

If the dumb b...... who set fire to the place found out that gummibears are made from pig skins, who knows what they'll do.

[jennyjuniper]

If those dumbasses who set fire to the place knew that gummibears are made from pig skins, who knows what they would do?

[iloveaisleyne]

And who's footing the bill for it to be rebuilt? Taxpayers?

If they don't appreciate asylum maybe they shouldn't have it.

[Northern Monkey]

It does get pretty bad on here sometimes with the opposing views on emotive subjects.People being called 'bigot,racist,xenophobic,looney left' etc.
I do think that the mainstream media cover this stuff up alot though.Specially the BBC.Everyone gets this rose tinted view of 'these poor migrants' and sees hardly any of the bad stuff that happens in these countries.Especially Germany lately.It's important to see this stuff.Islam as an ideology is not compatible with western society and the more radical form even more so.Many of these people have to put aside many of their values and beliefs to fit in and many aren't willing to.

[Northern Monkey]

Why doesn't anyone who is not interested just not click and read threads on this topic?I often don't read every thread.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Why doesn't anyone who is not interested just not click and read threads on this topic?I often don't read every thread.

I don't know

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't know

It's not like it's in the rules that you must read and comment on every topic (or is it?I haven't actually read the rules)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's not like it's in the rules that you must read and comment on every topic (or is it?I haven't actually read the rules)

Rule 1 of SD participation

You will read, digest and comment on every thread that involves immigration, Isis and muslims

End of rules