[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I am twat too ,as I think it is a very unusual friendship,I would never have put those two together, so Charlotte was accurate imo.

I've got friends who are hated by some of my other friends.
They have friends I don't care for.
I'd never make class,success or intelligence a requisite for Friendship.

I certainly would not talk to anyone about their friendships.

How is it odd,it's an odd house,odd scenario, 24 hours a day with the same people.
How can any friendship be odd in there,it is simply who you'd be able to feel you could rely on that could form bonds.

Unless people think they're better than others and see others as beneath them.
Who has the right to judge on what good friendships could or should be.

Any so called friend of mine telling me I shouldn't be friends with someone else, just because of class,intelligence or success,well they wouldn't remain a friend for much longer.
That's for sure.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've got friends who are hated by some of my other friends.
They have friends I don't care for.
I'd never make class,success or intelligence a requisite for Friendship.

I certainly would not talk to anyone about their friendships.

How is it odd,it's an odd house,odd scenario, 24 hours a day with the same people.
How can any friendship be odd in there,it is simply who you'd be able to feel you could rely on that could form bonds.

Unless people think they're better than others and see others as beneath them.
Who has the right to judge on what good friendships could or should be.

Any so called friend of mine telling me I shouldn't be friends with someone else, just because of class,intelligence or success,well they wouldn't remain a friend for much longer.
That's for sure.

I am not saying their friendship is wrong and neither did Charlotte,I said it was unusual as Raph has already said what he does and doesn't like to talk about and Chanelle does not fill that criteria, its nothing to do with class imo,just an observation that it's an unlikely pairing,plus she never said Raph SHOULDN'T be friends with Chanelle , nothing wrong at all in them being friends,but it probably only happened by chance in the house,we all have different types of friends nothing wrong with that either, and nothing wrong with someone saying we have unlikely friends.

[Robodog]

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:

1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:

1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all? They were thrown together by chance into Thorn Cottage, not by choice. I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:

1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:

1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all? They were thrown together by chance into Thorn Cottage, not by choice. I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

yep she has been too honest, in her opinion, and sometimes honesty isn't the best tactical thing in a game show like BB

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I have thought exactly that from the start: Chanelle and Raph's 'friendship' is not natural, it's purely tactical. They use each other.

All Charlotte did was point out the obvious!

Raph uses Chanelle for two reasons:

1. She is the alpha of the house.
2. She is a thorn cottage 'outsider'. BB expert Raph knows the outside group tend to do better, so he was ALWAYS going to put himself with the outsiders - WHOEVER they were.

Chanelle uses Raph for two reasons:

1. He strokes her massive ego, empowering her.
2. He is very good at extracting the gossip from the house, which he relays to her, like a drone bee bringing pollen back to the queen.

Charlotte is right: In real life they would not be friends. Even on a different BB with different people - Chanelle could easily be in the 'cool kids' crowd. In which case Raph would never be friends with her then.

I wonder if Chanelle had slept in Rose Cottage from the start - would her and Raph even be friends at all? They were thrown together by chance into Thorn Cottage, not by choice. I think it's all about convenience and Raph and her using each other. They are both manipulative in subtle, sly ways. As 'friends' they are TOTALLY mismatched.

For example: One thing we all know Raph dislikes is crude, derogatory language. He complained to Thorn Cottage when Lotan used the term 'bitch' in a joke for example. Yet Chanelle is the QUEEN of crude, derogatory language! More than anyone in there! Raph IGNORES in Chanelle ALL the traits he dislikes in others. This HAS to be tactical.

I can't stop thinking of Raph's BOTS audition where he said he uses his friendly smile to manipulate people and likes nothing more than 'crushing the souls of the popular people'.

Woah dude!

Agree with everything said here

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MrWong

It is when she lectured Chanelle about how she never talks behind people's backs.

A hypocrite and a snob. Not a good look.

That's exactly how she came across no.matter how hard or what fiction is used to dress it up as.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I am twat too ,as I think it is a very unusual friendship,I would never have put those two together, so Charlotte was accurate imo.

Oh I wasnt really thinking of that part, but she did say it to be cruel.. there are nice ways to say words to that effect, and she didnt do that.
It was more standing behind Sue, and then loudly claiming that she done it to be nice and because 'imagine if nobody stood behind your mother' - her pretending she was doing some sort of good deed made her look like a dick imo, especially if she then says immediately afterwards 'hey guys, acknowledge my good deed, now Sue and her family wont be sad' umm thats gonna make the highlights, now theyre goona be sadder!
But yeh, theyre an unlikely friendship! Charlotte pointing that out in the way she did made her seem like a cruel bitch. She could have easily said that in a nice way, but chose not to.

[azi]

I can't wait for her to get evicted.

[Niamh.]

she came across really badly I thought, like a superior mean girl

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

she came across really badly I thought, like a superior mean girl

Disappointingly for me too she did come across badly Niamh.
Still there it is,she even gets admired for it.

I think however the majority of viewers will not have liked it at all,I sincerely hope they don't anyway.

[Glenn-C]

Way to show that two faced snake by being a two faced snake!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Disappointingly for me too she did come across badly Niamh.
Still there it is,she even gets admired for it.

I think however the majority of viewers will not have liked it at all,I sincerely hope they don't anyway.

i don't admire her for that, but i think she's just too honest for a game like BB

Joey please don't be too serious about the show anymore

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i don't admire her for that, but i think she's just too honest for a game like BB

Joey please don't be too serious about the show anymore

Nicky don't fret so,it doesn't matter,go with your instincts.I am sure Joey isn't being off with you.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Nicky don't fret so,it doesn't matter,go with your instincts.I am sure Joey isn't being off with you.

okay, me trying to keep up the positivity, and just laughing it off

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

okay, me trying to keep up the positivity, and just laughing it off

Of course I'm not being off with you,just making points strongly from my perspective.
You were told to listen to Auntie Kaz and she is one on here who really knows me.
Only one person does better than her.
You should see the spats we have on politics.
So take notice of auntie Kaz.

I don't go with your take on this, I have always taken BB seriously and always will I guess.
No worries Nicky.

I think Raph gets a raw deal at times, as I did for Charlotte when she could not get featured in the highlights more.
However it does make for many talking points when opposing views collide.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course I'm not being off with you,just making points strongly from my perspective.
You were told to listen to Auntie Kaz and she is one on here who really knows me.
Only one person does better than her.
You should see the spats we have on politics.
So take notice of auntie Kaz.

I don't go with your take on this, I have always taken BB seriously and always will I guess.
No worries Nicky.

I think Raph gets a raw deal at times, as I did for Charlotte when she could not get featured in the highlights more.
However it does make for many talking points when opposing views collide.

I think you should be Uncle Joey

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think you should be Uncle Joey

Sounds okay to me.

[OMGLattie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Charlotte wasn't being mean about Raph, she just thinks of him as a classy guy and Chanelle is far from classy, that's all


and if this is the real Charlotte, well i still find her very attractive, and her voice i love proper posh english

She has no right to call someone far from classy though.

[SarenaW]

Got to love a person that bashes people for being too afraid to say things to someone's face, then goes and says things about someone that she is too scared to say to their face. Real class act.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by SarenaW

Got to love a person that bashes people for being too afraid to say things to someone's face, then goes and says things about someone that she is too scared to say to their face. Real class act.

lmao

[Vanessa]

I've always thought Charlotte was nice. But last night she came across as bitchy. I sure hope she's not like that. I like to believe she's a good person.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I've always thought Charlotte was nice. But last night she came across as bitchy. I sure hope she's not like that. I like to believe she's a good person.

she just wants to show us her competitive side, and with competition can come a bit bitchiness


i hope she nominates Raph this week, she has 110% chance of surviving against him

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

she just wants to show us her competitive side, and with competition can come a bit bitchiness


i hope she nominates Raph this week, she has 110% chance of surviving against him

Raph would stay over Charlotte in a VTS+VTE

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Raph would stay over Charlotte in a VTS+VTE

i also know that


but i just want her to nominate him, just for guys to hate her even more

[OMGLattie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

she just wants to show us her competitive side, and with competition can come a bit bitchiness


i hope she nominates Raph this week, she has 110% chance of surviving against him

I think shes been a bitch the whole time but was quiet to not show it. The same way we have seen Kieran be rather agressive/argumentative with Raph and then quickly back pedal.

Funny though that she complains that Chan talked about her behind her back but its fine when she does it. Her and Andrew are mean girls (andrews treatment of Hannah for no real reason and continuing to do it because he thinks he is funny).

Even if she nominates Raph, it doesnt meant he will be up and she will definitely not outlast him in a vote.