[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I have read this comment about a dozen times now trying to work out if this was a joke but I guess you really were serious when you wrote it. Amazing that people like you exist.

Then you will be disappointed to know that there's a lot of us.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The only way we can stop terror is to stop participating in it.

The only way to stop terror is to stand up to it and free people from its control.

It's ludicrous to suggest that standing up to terrorism is participating in it. That sounds very like appeasing the terrorists in order not to bring terrorism to your doorstep. When it does blame those that stand up it it rather than those that practice it.

Your statement sounds like a statement based on fear to me. The old 'let's not get involved' mantra , turn a blind eye - self preservation.

https://www.thoughtco.com/is-iraq-a-democracy-2353046

Basically ISIS are Sunni Muslims pissed that their official persecution of the Shia Muslims in Iraq was thwarted. So you would rather have left them to it then!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The only way to stop terror is to stand up to it and free people from its control.

It's ludicrous to suggest that standing up to terrorism is participating in it. That sounds very like appeasing the terrorists in order not to bring terrorism to your doorstep. When it does blame those that stand up it it rather than those that practice it.

Your statement sounds like a statement based on fear to me. The old 'let's not get involved' mantra , turn a blind eye - self preservation.

I don't know what you read when you read my words but you clearly didn't understand what I was saying.

Let me spell it out. When I say stop participating, what I mean is, let's stop trying to be the rulers of the world. Let's stop invading other countries because I'm not sure if you know this Brillo, but we have invaded and destroyed again and again and we will continue to do this again and again, under that evil heading, "For the greater good". We will destroy Iran because it has a valuable resource we want and the only thing stopping us right now, is Russia, but give it time. And the aftermath of those invasions is counter-invasion.

Look further than the end of your nose if you seriously want to stop terror attacks happening in this country. Don't just look at the terrorist, look at the terrorists.

As for fear, I fear western intent. I don't believe for a second that western governments give a crap about terrorist atrocities over here. Why would they when they so openly commit mass atrocities in other countries. Every time we have a terrorist act on western shores, it strengthens their reasoning for further invasions.

I fear people like you who play along with the Right-wing rhetoric and refuse to accept these attacks are anything other than an evil force who want us all to be Muslim.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The only way to stop terror is to stand up to it and free people from its control.

Oh yeh. That's worked so well up to now hasn't it.

Also, let me walk you through why that is dumb as simply as possible.
To some, we are the terrorists. If they have the same mindset as you, what happens next? They stand up to it as means to try to stop it. Then what's your mindset? Standing up to that by fighting more? What's their reaction gonna be?

And that's honestly your solution. Til when? Til one side surrenders? How many more deaths by terrorism in the country will it take before you feel as if this may not be the best technique?

I'm not sure if DR's solution will work, it's kind of unprecedented. But it can't be any worse. What others perceive as terrorism from the uk will cause more terrorism to the uk, and that's a continuous loop.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The only way to stop terror is to stand up to it and free people from its control.

It's ludicrous to suggest that standing up to terrorism is participating in it. That sounds very like appeasing the terrorists in order not to bring terrorism to your doorstep. When it does blame those that stand up it it rather than those that practice it.

Your statement sounds like a statement based on fear to me. The old 'let's not get involved' mantra , turn a blind eye - self preservation.

https://www.thoughtco.com/is-iraq-a-democracy-2353046

Basically ISIS are Sunni Muslims pissed that their official persecution of the Shia Muslims in Iraq was thwarted. So you would rather have left them to it then!

That was happening during the gulf war in the 90s, our subsequent intervention led to the destabilisation of that part of the world, initially we armed rebels and trained them these are now members of isis...

Instead of admitting to our part in the problem or govt have enabled the media to demonise ALL Muslims, personally I would say the reasoning is twofold as it serves a purpose in relation to Palestine too.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The only way we can stop terror is to stop participating in it.

So you think every terrorist attack in the West is due to our governments' actions abroad? And you place no blame on the individuals' indoctrination and extremism?

Naive.

Virtually none of the actual victims had any participation in "terrorism" abroad.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you think every terrorist attack in the West is due to our governments' actions abroad? And you place no blame on the individuals' indoctrination and extremism?

Naive.

Virtually none of the actual victims had any participation in "terrorism" abroad.

Probably thinks that's racist.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you think every terrorist attack in the West is due to our governments' actions abroad? And you place no blame on the individuals' indoctrination and extremism?

Naive.

Virtually none of the actual victims had any participation in "terrorism" abroad.

I think much of terrorism in the West is due to our government's actions abroad... yes.

A murderer is a murderer whether it be government or some random radicalized idiot... Yes, I do place blame on individuals but blame isn't helping to stop this. Take away the cause and the effect eventually ceases.

None of the victims in the UK had any participation in terrorism abroad. Many of the innocents abroad had any participation in terrorism. The sad point is,
terrorists have a tendency to kill innocents.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More bombs about to be left on public transport. This time they won't fail like today

Islamic terrorism it seems

Again

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

More bombs about to be left on public transport. This time they won't fail like today

Islamic terrorism it seems

Again

That's what generations of uncensored immigration brings. - both home grown terrorism and opportunist terrorism from those 'hiding' amongst refugees and those failed asylum seekers disappearing amongst us. When will we learn!

[Will.]

Oh it sounds more like it's here to stay for a while from what Thresea May said, army will replace police around many areas/places in London.

What Arista said really.

[Wizard.]

I assume it's because they haven't found who carried out today's attack?

[Rob!]

I take it this means we're getting armed police on the streets again?

[Will.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I take it this means we're getting armed police on the streets again?

We already have that!

It's the army they bring out when it's raised to critical.

[Liberty4eva]

The response will be we need to import more Muslims to prove to the Muslims already in the UK that they love Islam

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The response will be we need to import more Muslims to prove to the Muslims already in the UK that they love Islam

Right.

[UserSince2005]

Gonna walk over to town now to do a bit a shopping, probs go oxford street. so if you hear anything happening and i dont come back online then they got me.

[Brillopad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...itical-latest/

18 year-old arrested.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...itical-latest/

18 year-old arrested.

He must have been easily identified, he would have had to get on the train at the first stop to have got a large bulky item like that in the place that he did.

[user104658]

Oh wow, the dumb-as-a-post xenophobia battering ram really is in full swing in this thread .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh wow, the dumb-as-a-post xenophobia battering ram really is in full swing in this thread .

quelle surprise, the usual racist jibe to direct attention away from what is actually happening

[DemolitionRed]

They are doing an armed raid in Sunbury-on-Thames. Consider my eyebrow well and truly raised. If leafy Surrey has fallen to the terrorists we are all doomed!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

They are doing an armed raid in Sunbury-on-Thames. Consider my eyebrow well and truly raised. If leafy Surrey has fallen to the terrorists we are all doomed!

Like I said before some highly intelligent people are being radicalised it's not all drop outs and marginalised young men, open your eyes

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Like I said before some highly intelligent people are being radicalised it's not all drop outs and marginalised young men, open your eyes

I seem to remember a doctor who killed some soldiers on an army base somwhere - went on the rampage shooting people.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I seem to remember a doctor who killed some soldiers on an army base somwhere - went on the rampage shooting people.

He was a US soldier with a Muslim name and they put his madness down to mental problems. Between 2003 and 2009, 75 troops at that base committed suicide, so it was rife with mental suffering. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-1815729.html