[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The mens/disabled thing is probably just because they only have the two toilets (just guessing obviously) and it had to be merged with one, I don't see why that's an issue?

Because...disabled women exist too? Who would not be comfortable at all going into the mens loo.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Because...disabled women exist too? Who would not be comfortable at all going into the mens loo.

If it was disabled/women's though it would be the same problem, disabled men using the same toilet as women. Although like MTVN said it's probably just a single toilet if it's kitted out for disabled access so it shouldn't be a problem anyway?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

If it was disabled/women's though it would be the same problem, disabled men using the same toilet as women. Although like MTVN said it's probably just a single toilet if it's kitted out for disabled access so it shouldn't be a problem anyway?

which is why, if they are making the loos gender neutral, they should have had the disabled one separate.

Also a man is more likely to be comfortable going into the womens loos than vice versa. Most women are nervous in isolated situations with strange men. Hell even most transmen I have read about do not want to use the mens loos for fear of being attacked. I am not a man so don't know this for sure, but according to male friends its not scary to go into a place full of women, though apparently it would maybe be embarrassing.

But yeah, even with all of that said, disabled loos should always be separate if there is the option to do that. Which there clearly is in this case. Change the door sign to disabled only. And allow the men and women in the womens together, which is what they are doing anyway.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

which is why, if they are making the loos gender neutral, they should have had the disabled one separate.

Also a man is more likely to be comfortable going into the womens loos than vice versa. Most women are nervous in isolated situations with strange men. Hell even most transmen I have read about do not want to use the mens loos for fear of being attacked. I am not a man so don't know this for sure, but according to male friends its not scary to go into a place full of women, though apparently it would maybe be embarrassing.

But yeah, even with all of that said, disabled loos should always be separate if there is the option to do that. Which there clearly is in this case. Change the door sign to disabled only. And allow the men and women in the womens together, which is what they are doing anyway.

My point though wasn't that disabled men might be uncomfortable using the women's loo, it was that the women you've described might have a problem with them doing that, so the result would still be men and women sharing a loo whichever way round it is.
Personally I think loos should be gender neutral and in this case what you've suggested would be best, having one gender neutral and one disabled. But a lot of people would have a problem with that too (I'd imagine more women would feel uncomfortable about that than how it is now) which is probably why they've done it this way. Whether they changed it to one gender neutral and one disabled, or switched it to female/disabled and male, or kept it how it is, men and women will be sharing a loo regardless. But if the problem is that some women are uncomfortable sharing with men, this set up is surely the best of those options as less women will be affected?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

which is why, if they are making the loos gender neutral, they should have had the disabled one separate.

Also a man is more likely to be comfortable going into the womens loos than vice versa. Most women are nervous in isolated situations with strange men. Hell even most transmen I have read about do not want to use the mens loos for fear of being attacked. I am not a man so don't know this for sure, but according to male friends its not scary to go into a place full of women, though apparently it would maybe be embarrassing.

But yeah, even with all of that said, disabled loos should always be separate if there is the option to do that. Which there clearly is in this case. Change the door sign to disabled only. And allow the men and women in the womens together, which is what they are doing anyway.

I don't think it makes a difference though? You've still got the disabled toilet open to both sexes?

[UserSince2005]

I think these pictures would mean a lot of straight pigs would think they have a right to go into the women’s toilets and perv because they believe there is a man ok the front door

[MTVN]

I guess the mens/disabled is just a single toilet rather than a shared bathroom

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I guess the mens/disabled is just a single toilet rather than a shared bathroom

Even in that case though, a disabled loo should be separate as...well able bodied people aren't meant to use disabled loos.

I do not understand why they didn't just make one gender neutral, and the other disabled, if they are going to let men into the womens anyway (which I do agree with, with post-op trans people only) Would make much more sense

[MTVN]

But is it offensive to have a pic of an able bodied athlete on a disabled loo

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But is it offensive to have a pic of an able bodied athlete on a disabled loo

Hadn't thought of that actually. A lot of disabilities are invisible I guess, but Jenner didn't have any disabilities as far as I know :S

Hasn't been thought through well at all tbh. The rush to be 'inclusive' has clouded judgements I think

I think its all a publicity stunt anyway. And its clearly working. Though...it would help the business if people knew where it actually was. All publicity is good publicity, apparently

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But is it offensive to have a pic of an able bodied athlete on a disabled loo

great point, but then they would have to squeeze in an able bodied male sports, plus a disabled male and female disabled sports person, I think they need to return to the drawing board

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But is it offensive to have a pic of an able bodied athlete on a disabled loo

I don't think so in this case. It's just that they wanted to use pictures of Caitlyn/Bruce and that's what she was famous for when she was Bruce. Both pictures represent her at her peak of fame/public recognition (but as different genders obviously) to make their statement easily recognisable, I think most people would see that. If it was different pictures and so it wasnt obviously Caitlyn/Bruce then there wouldn't be much point in them doing it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I don't think so in this case. It's just that they wanted to use pictures of Caitlyn/Bruce and that's what she was famous for when she was Bruce. Both pictures represent her at her peak of fame/public recognition (but as different genders obviously) to make their statement easily recognisable, I think most people would see that. If it was different pictures and so it wasnt obviously Caitlyn/Bruce then there wouldn't be much point in them doing it.

Which is why its so very obviously a publicity stunt tbh.

Working very well, going by how viral it seems to have gone. Definitely got people talking, at least.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Even in that case though, a disabled loo should be separate as...well able bodied people aren't meant to use disabled loos.

I do not understand why they didn't just make one gender neutral, and the other disabled, if they are going to let men into the womens anyway (which I do agree with, with post-op trans people only) Would make much more sense

Depends. If they only have two single toilets to be used by customers then one of them is adapted for disabled use then it has to be shared.

[King Gizzard]

it legitimises her being a woman now so it doesn't offend me, no

[Nicky91]

no, not offensive i think

[thesheriff443]

So its him before on the mens toilet and her after on the ladies toilet?

[MTVN]

Didn't realise that was Bruce pre-Caitlin actually, thought it was just a random athlete lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you cut a glory hole in her mouth and did what the hole was intended for then i guess people would be like "ew gross"

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you cut a glory hole in her mouth and did what the hole was intended for then i guess people would be like "ew gross"

You must be having a boring sunday afternoon.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you cut a glory hole in her mouth and did what the hole was intended for then i guess people would be like "ew gross"

Bit high up for a hole. Are you gonna use a step ladder?

[thesheriff443]

Most people would not realise or care that its the same person, I'm not offended

[Greg!]

I feel like people who are offended by it don't even know what exactly they're offended by, they're just jumping on the bandwagon

[MTVN]

Feel like there has been some good discussion over toilet layout in this thread

[James]

Isn't the point of the pictures to say 'we're okay with people who have had sex changes using the female toilet'... because there is some controversy in America about that just now.