[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

the victims family may disagree

That's on them.

[DemolitionRed]

Another thing,

A human hand is still needed to kill a person. Yes, we call it a 'state killing' but its a physical being that has to turn that switch, press that button, pull that trigger or put a noose around that persons neck. A human has to live with his actions of killing someone.

And what about the doctor who needs to assess if the prisoner is fit enough for execution and declare the prisoner dead after the deed is done. A doctor who has taken an oath to never deliberately hurt or kill someone.

[lewis111]

Parts of America have the death penalty yet they have the largest percentage of their population in prison worldwide
A suggestion for both countries would be, instead of just killing people off to make room, stop giving people prison time for petty drug crimes and focus more on rehabilitiom for smaller crimes rather than pure punishment

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Parts of America have the death penalty yet they have the hugest percentage of their population in prison worldwide
A suggestion for both countries would be, instead of just killing people off to make room, stop giving people prison time for petty drug crimes and focus more on rehabilitiom for smaller crimes rather than pure punishment

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Parts of America have the death penalty yet they have the hugest percentage of their population in prison worldwide
A suggestion for both countries would be, instead of just killing people off to make room, stop giving people prison time for petty drug crimes and focus more on rehabilitiom for smaller crimes rather than pure punishment

I just read that it costs an average $250 million for every prisoner that is executed.

A murder trial with the prosecutor calling for the death penalty costs millions more than one where the sought verdict is life without parole. Additionally, the accommodation of death row prisoners is several times more expensive than that of regular prisoners, and the procedure itself also costs a ridiculous amount of money, especially if the method of execution is lethal injection. The drugs that are used are very specific and can’t really be replaced or substituted without risking horrible side effects (Pancuronium Bromide, the drug used second in the sequence, relaxes the muscles and paralyses the body, including the diaphragm, causing the prisoner to slowly suffocate to death unless they’re not given the other two drugs as well, which knock them out and stop the heart). At the end of the day, even if you hold someone in prison for 50 years, that’s still not going to cost nearly as much as an execution would.
http://www.cuadp.org/why-the-death-penalty-is-wrong/

[joeysteele]

I've always had times of yes and no on this issue.

If there was a vote to bring it back I'd vote no at this time.

Those who murder children particularly have me wrestling with this issue.

However one mistake,for me anyway,would be in itself too many and unacceptable.
I really think no matter the criteria mistakes could occur.

So for me,no.

[Denver]

Not every convicted murderer is guilty

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by QueenOfSheba

Not every convicted murderer is guilty

99% are.

Also what if someone confesses to the crime? Surprisingly a lot do.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas

99% are.

Also what if someone confesses to the crime? Surprisingly a lot do.

Technicality. Some are advised to confess when a trial reaches a stage where they are likely to be found guilty by a jury. A confession sometimes leads to a lighter sentence.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas

99% are.

Also what if someone confesses to the crime? Surprisingly a lot do.

And some nut jobs confess to the crime when they didn't actually do it. The law doesn't take a confession as truth without full evidence to back up that confession.

There's been a recent re-opening of the Megan and Jossie Russel murders. Michael Stone, the convicted killer has been behind bars in a high security prison for 21 years but recently another prisoner, Levi Bellfield started telling other prisoners he did it. Its highly likely that Bellfield didn't do it but why would he admit to such a thing. Insanity perhaps?

Then again, maybe Michael Stone, one of the most hated men in Britain, will turn out to be an innocent man.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And some nut jobs confess to the crime when they didn't actually do it. The law doesn't take a confession as truth without full evidence to back up that confession.

There's been a recent re-opening of the Megan and Jossie Russel murders. Michael Stone, the convicted killer has been behind bars in a high security prison for 21 years but recently another prisoner, Levi Bellfield started telling other prisoners he did it. Its highly likely that Bellfield didn't do it but why would he admit to such a thing. Insanity perhaps?

Then again, maybe Michael Stone, one of the most hated men in Britain, will turn out to be an innocent man.

If they confess to something as big as serial killing or child killing then they deserve whatever punishment suitable people aren’t psychics to know that they’re lying. If they can be jailed for confessing they can receive the death penalty too.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas

If they confess to something as big as serial killing or child killing then they deserve whatever punishment suitable people aren’t psychics to know that they’re lying. If they can be jailed for confessing they can receive the death penalty too.

So you'd kill someone based on the fact they're insane and don't know what they're confessing to?

See, this is now exactly why I'm against it. The waters are getting murky now and the line blurring.

[bots]

I prefer to look at the issue another way.

Do you consider human life to be precious. Do you want to do everything possible in terms of health care etc, to both improve life expectancy and quality of life

or ....

do you not put a value on life like the murderous bastards that commit these crimes

The 2 do not reconcile, you do not fight bad with more bad

We can't as a nation promote excellent health care and respect for life on the one hand, and then kill those we do not deem worthy of life on the other.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I prefer to look at the issue another way.

Do you consider human life to be precious. Do you want to do everything possible in terms of health care etc, to both improve life expectancy and quality of life

or ....

do you not put a value on life like the murderous bastards that commit these crimes

The 2 do not reconcile, you do not fight bad with more bad

We can't as a nation promote excellent health care and respect for life on the one hand, and then kill those we do not deem worthy of life on the other.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I prefer to look at the issue another way.

Do you consider human life to be precious. Do you want to do everything possible in terms of health care etc, to both improve life expectancy and quality of life

or ....

do you not put a value on life like the murderous bastards that commit these crimes

The 2 do not reconcile, you do not fight bad with more bad

We can't as a nation promote excellent health care and respect for life on the one hand, and then kill those we do not deem worthy of life on the other.

If I'd been thinking yes to this issue,which as I said earlier I'm not.

Your post would have helped sway me to think again and then vote no to it.

Really well presented bitontheslide.

[Daniel-X]

No, it does absolutely nothing to reduce crime and as APWD pointed out where do we draw the line, what's punishable and what isn't?

I'm studying crime in sociology at the moment so this topic has been popping up frequently in lesson. I do understand some of the pros to having it, such as it's cheaper (although this isn't always the case surprisingly due to how expensive lethal injections are to carry out etc.), it solves the crowding issue of prisons and so on and so forth. But there's just far too many cons that massively outweigh the pros.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by PoinSTEPHia Davis

No, it does absolutely nothing to reduce crime and as APWD pointed out where do we draw the line, what's punishable and what isn't?

I'm studying crime in sociology at the moment so this topic has been popping up frequently in lesson. I do understand some of the pros to having it, such as it's cheaper (although this isn't always the case surprisingly due to how expensive lethal injections are to carry out etc.), it solves the crowding issue of prisons and so on and so forth. But there's just far too many cons that massively outweigh the pros.

Yeah I appreciate that I’m just thinking more on a philosophical level

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas

I used to think no, but in certain cases I agree with it. You might know about that family who died in a fire, the mum and the children recently and it's near where I live. A few people have been arrested, and basically the guy not only set fire to the house with innocent children in it but also got his mates to set fire to all escape routes - they knew what they were doing.

Now I'm not saying lets hung, drawn and quarter them in public like medieval times, but privately, and in this case and in similar cases, make sure it's painful.

You from manchester riley? This happened 5 mins from my works and a lot of people who work for me knew this family. Absolutely heartbreaking. The kids barely stood a chance and mum in a coma and if/when she wakes up she has to be told her babies are dead.

Know some people who know the ****s that did it too......

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You from manchester riley? This happened 5 mins from my works and a lot of people who work for me knew this family. Absolutely heartbreaking. The kids barely stood a chance and mum in a coma and if/when she wakes up she has to be told her babies are dead.

Know some people who know the ****s that did it too......

Yeah I do and I have talked to people who know the people who did it, and well I can’t say much on a public forum, but he deserves more than life imprisonment.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas

Yeah I do and I have talked to people who know the people who did it, and well I can’t say much on a public forum, but he deserves more than life imprisonment.

Yeah I've heard a lot too.

Where in Manchester are you?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yeah I've heard a lot too.

Where in Manchester are you?

Salford you?

[Tom4784]

We must be better than those we judge in a court of law, I don't see murdering those we find guilty very just.

Murdering someone that's murdered someone else is stupid, backwards and below us. Why should we lower ourselves to support or commit the same acts we condemn people for in the first place?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We must be better than those we judge in a court of law, I don't see murdering those we find guilty very just.

Murdering someone that's murdered someone else is stupid, backwards and below us. Why should we lower ourselves to support or commit the same acts we condemn people for in the first place?

Would you feel the same if they murdered the person you love most? Their life over for good, and your life probably ruined, and the person that killed them would get about 12 years, three good meals a day, counselling, learning new skills, sky TV, games and other distractions and then get out to carry on with their life which could last for many more years while your loved one lies rotting.
I think life should MEAN life, if CP isn't carried out.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Would you feel the same if they murdered the person you love most? Their life over for good, and your life probably ruined, and the person that killed them would get about 12 years, three good meals a day, counselling, learning new skills, sky TV, games and other distractions and then get out to carry on with their life which could last for many more years while your loved one lies rotting.
I think life should MEAN life, if CP isn't carried out.

Well that's neither here nor there.

There's a reason a jury isn't made up of people emotionally invested in the crime that was committed.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Well that's neither here nor there.

There's a reason a jury isn't made up of people emotionally invested in the crime that was committed.

Oh I didn't realise this thread was only limited to the jury's perspective.