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View Poll Results: Should capital punishment be brought back?
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Old 14-12-2017, 08:41 PM #1
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Something that interests me on this topic is that those who are in favour of the death penalty are more than often also the same people who want to see captured terrorists suffer, rather than receive immediate (or, 6 months down the line) death in a relatively humane way.

Even without the "easy get out clause" point for deluded fanatics and religious murderers/terrorists, state-endorsed killing is still killing IMO.

It just makes no sense in some parts of America anyway, some murders are punishable by death but others are not?
I don't understand how people think that punishment by death is any more 'worse' than making someone rot in jail for their whole lives. People let their guilty conscience rule over their moral judgement.
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I don't understand how people think that punishment by death is any more 'worse' than making someone rot in jail for their whole lives. People let their guilty conscience rule over their moral judgement.
Because death is an immediate consequence and imprisonment *should be* punishing. If someone is ready to die and decides to take out a couple of his/her classmates or work colleagues with them, what's the point in killing them anyway? I know that if I lost a loved one and that person killed themselves, or was put to death, I'd effectively be left with no answers as to why they did it. In actuality I did lose a cousin in a stabbing nearly fifteen years ago and the perpetator received a ridiculously short amount of jail time (roughly 6-8 years, IIRC). Does that make me angry? Of course. But only because of the length of the sentence. I don't feel I'd have any more resolution with what happened if he'd been killed. But then I was very young at the time and I can't really say I was "incredibly close" with him (he was twice my age) so I know I can't directly speak for all grieving relatives/partners. I just think the reason we can call ourselves civilized is because the law isn't dealt out with emotive interests and vendetta.

The glamour of taking a vengeance to the grave and becoming a martyr to whatever cause they're pushing, or indeed whatever mental illness they're taken over by, just seems to create more killers.

I don't doubt that prison's too easy in some cases. Of course prison costs are not ideal but the figures spent on lethal injections are on the rise at a bizarre rate (at least in America, because anything pharmacological is ) And I also don't have a lot of sympathy for child rapists/killers being killed in retribution / by other inmates, of course, but that would really be their actions and not society's.
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I don't understand how people think that punishment by death is any more 'worse' than making someone rot in jail for their whole lives. People let their guilty conscience rule over their moral judgement.
So if it's not any worse, what's the point in it?

And what's moral about killing anyone, no matter who that person might be?
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So if it's not any worse, what's the point in it?

And what's moral about killing anyone, no matter who that person might be?
The point is the statement that the punishment makes.

And yes I would have no problem killing someone who was a terrorist about to carry out an attack on my home country or someone breaking into my house threatening my family. Yes it probably better to try and debilitate them but when faced in that situation I'm sure you wouldn't cry if you killed them in self-defence.
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The point is the statement that the punishment makes.

And yes I would have no problem killing someone who was a terrorist about to carry out an attack on my home country or someone breaking into my house threatening my family. Yes it probably better to try and debilitate them but when faced in that situation I'm sure you wouldn't cry if you killed them in self-defence.
A terrorist and someone who breaks into your home are two opposing ends of a very large spectrum. I'd hope the "line" would be a lot clearer were this to become a reality.

What statement does this punishment make? Killing is wrong... except when a jury of strangers decide it isn't?
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A terrorist and someone who breaks into your home are two opposing ends of a very large spectrum. I'd hope the "line" would be a lot clearer were this to become a reality.

What statement does this punishment make? Killing is wrong... except when a jury of strangers decide it isn't?
Well no - someone poses a threat to your life and the innocent lives around you you’re not just going to stand around and do nothing are you? Killing is wrong of course it is but these criminals obviously don’t know that so what will locking them up do? Protect society yes but it’s not protecting them from other prisoners and from themselves.
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Well no - someone poses a threat to your life and the innocent lives around you you’re not just going to stand around and do nothing are you?
That's an entirely different question.

We're discussing capital punishment, not your instinct to defend yourself when you're attacked. Two completely different things.

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Killing is wrong of course it is but these criminals obviously don’t know that so what will locking them up do? Protect society yes but it’s not protecting them from other prisoners and from themselves.
You suggest killing them, because they are murderers and don't know killing is wrong? You've lost me now.

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That's an entirely different question.

We're discussing capital punishment, not your instinct to defend yourself when you're attacked. Two completely different things.
“What’s moral about killing someone no matter what?” Is the question you asked.
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That's an entirely different question.

We're discussing capital punishment, not your instinct to defend yourself when you're attacked. Two completely different things.



You suggest killing them, because they are murderers and don't know killing is wrong? You've lost me now.
Okay government says that prison is about rehabilitation except for those who are in for life because they never get out so the point is to punish. People are asking about the moral implications, and frankly I don’t see the difference between locking up a psychopathic murderer in prison or inflicting the death penalty if their crime warrants such punishment.
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The point is the statement that the punishment makes.

And yes I would have no problem killing someone who was a terrorist about to carry out an attack on my home country or someone breaking into my house threatening my family. Yes it probably better to try and debilitate them but when faced in that situation I'm sure you wouldn't cry if you killed them in self-defence.
That's totally different. Its called self defense.
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