[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

You mean she wanted to take advantage of the mentally ill.

I would argue that most paid therapy is this tbh.

My pain clinic keeps trying to get me to go to new therapy...to mentally deal with the pain I am in. As if ****ing thinking it away will make it go away. its stupid

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

You mean she wanted to take advantage of the mentally ill.

This as well tbh. Conversion therapy serves no other purpose than to promote an anti-gay agenda and she used other people's suffering for that end. I could give her the benefit of the doubt that she just didn't know enough about it but given her knowledge and intelligence I'd be very surprised.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would argue that most paid therapy is this tbh.

My pain clinic keeps trying to get me to go to new therapy...to mentally deal with the pain I am in. As if ****ing thinking it away will make it go away. its stupid

That's different though, The point in that therapy would be to help you deal with the pain and that's not what the aim of conversion therapy is. Psychological therapy for people struggling with their sexuality could be good for them but that's not conversion therapy.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's different though, The point in that therapy would be to help you deal with the pain and that's not what the aim of conversion therapy is. Psychological therapy for people struggling with their sexuality could be good for them but that's not conversion therapy.

Oh yes, I am not comparing conversion therapy to this stupid therapy i am being offered just saying that basically all paid therapy is taking advantage of the (physically or mentally) ill tbh

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh yes, I am not comparing conversion therapy to this stupid therapy i am being offered just saying that basically all paid therapy is taking advantage of the (physically or mentally) ill tbh

Oh right well yeah I suppose it is. Although it's not really a bad thing if it helps

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

Facts are not allowed and totally ignored

[Paula D]

Please expand further by what you understand Ann to support?

Or are you going off one line in a tweet?

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[reece(:]

She's a dinosaur with dated views, no shocker

Hopefully in 70 years time views like conversion therapy belief are totally eradicated

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by reece(:

She's a dinosaur with dated views, no shocker

Hopefully in 70 years time views like conversion therapy belief are totally eradicated

It sounds so wrong to do that to someone

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It sounds so wrong to do that to someone

The gay person WANTED the therapy,no one was forced,have you actually read Vickys article ?

[Bones]

Originally Posted by reece(:

She's a dinosaur with dated views, no shocker

Not really.

[Shaun]

It's an interesting issue because there are instances of gay/bisexual people wishing to partake in 'therapy' themselves but ultimately it's like trying to get experimental medical treatment to make yourself taller / grow a few extra inches down below. It's just doomed to failure and going to upset you further and the idea that people can make money off what is essentially denying someone's identity - since it's not covered by the NHS and would be a private medical expense - is shameful.

Mental health and psychiatric branches of the NHS would be better suited to this instance.

Also the article explains the instance of an undercover reporter seeking 'treatment', so it's not technically written from the POV, or indeed in defence, of someone who actually wants the treatment.

[Jamie89]

I'm surprised tbh, even with her views she's still an intelligent woman and just a small amount of knowledge of/research into conversion therapy will show that it's not only useless but also can be pretty damaging.. If somebody wants to have conversion therapy then it means their issues with their sexuality are so deep that they'll very likely only be damaged further by having it, it's actually quite cruel to those people to encourage it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm surprised tbh, even with her views she's still an intelligent woman and just a small amount of knowledge of/research into conversion therapy will show that it's not only useless but also can be pretty damaging.. If somebody wants to have conversion therapy then it means their issues with their sexuality are so deep that they'll very likely only be damaged further by having it, it's actually quite cruel to those people to encourage it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm surprised tbh, even with her views she's still an intelligent woman and just a small amount of knowledge of/research into conversion therapy will show that it's not only useless but also can be pretty damaging.. If somebody wants to have conversion therapy then it means their issues with their sexuality are so deep that they'll very likely only be damaged further by having it, it's actually quite cruel to those people to encourage it.

Well said Jamie.
It is cruel in the end,you are right.
It's worrying that anyone elected to Parliament would advocate such views as this.
More worrying to me is others supporting it and her view too.

As you pointed out thankfully,there is near a fair bit of contradiction in other her long held views,and this issue too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well said Jamie.
It is cruel in the end,you are right.
It's worrying that anyone elected to Parliament would advocate such views as this.
More worrying to me is others supporting it and her view too.

As you pointed out thankfully,there is near a fair bit of contradiction in other her long held views,and this issue too.

Reminder, Ann has been retired for 8 years now. She was retired when she wrote that article.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Reminder, Ann has been retired for 8 years now. She was retired when she wrote that article.

I'm not stupid jaxie,I am well aware she left parliament but not campaigning in 2010.
I've actually listened to Ann speak so have a knowledge as to her.

She was retired too when Cameron brought in the gay marriage bill.
She still made plenty noise on that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm not stupid jaxie,I am well aware she left parliament but not campaigning in 2010.
I've actually listened to Ann speak so have a knowledge as to her.

She was retired too when Cameron brought in the gay marriage bill.
She still made plenty noise on that.

She's a roman catholic. The problem lays with the pope et al. Most established religion does not support homosexuality in its teachings.

I'm all for scrapping religion.

You are trying to kick the dog for the actions of its master.

[Pete.]

[Bones]

Ann is Queen.

[camertone]

Ann hates everyone who is different from her and has no empathy for others. Her voting record is awful.

Dissing Meghan Markle is another example. Seems like everyone already forgot about that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by camertone

Ann hates everyone who is different from her and has no empathy for others. Her voting record is awful.

Dissing Meghan Markle is another example. Seems like everyone already forgot about that.

I'm not in raptures over Megan Markle either. So what are you saying?

[jaxie]

Ann was speaking out on behalf of someone else who wanted to have this therapy and wasn't allowed. She wasn't supporting it personally, she was supporting his right, which is really different matter. Perhaps he needs to do it to convince himself it does not work, sometimes it's hard to be in someone elses head. As with many things to do with Ann, some people pick up a sentence and see black and white and ignore the grey area of what she really said.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Ann was speaking out on behalf of someone else who wanted to have this therapy and wasn't allowed. She wasn't supporting it personally, she was supporting his right, which is really different matter. Perhaps he needs to do it to convince himself it does not work, sometimes it's hard to be in someone elses head. As with many things to do with Ann, some people pick up a sentence and see black and white and ignore the grey area of what she really said.

People with their own agenda don't read articles, they just read one-liners off Twitter or Facebook and run with that.

So much easier to get outraged over a soundbite you see.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Paula D

People with their own agenda don't read articles, they just read one-liners off Twitter or Facebook and run with that.

So much easier to get outraged over a soundbite you see.

The article seems to be based on the case of his rights and the vilification of his therapist rather than on the actual therapy. It doesn't come across as her supporting it to me. It comes across as her feeling sympathy for him and his therapist.

It really shows how people read a headline without reading the actual news.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The article seems to be based on the case of his rights and the vilification of his therapist rather than on the actual therapy. It doesn't come across as her supporting it to me. It comes across as her feeling sympathy for him and his therapist.

It really shows how people read a headline without reading the actual news.

The article to me is almost completely about people attacking Christians whilst leaving other religions alone tbh. It seems to have came out at a time when Christians were attacked left right and centre (whats new) and thats the angle I think she was going for tbh, nothing to do with actually caring or not caring about gay people. Or even the therapist involved tbh, except for them being Christian.

I don't really read it as in support of conversion therapy, more...against the witch hunt of Christians. With the 'I care about people' angle thrown in to make the article seem better

I have actually read a lot about conversion therapy because of this thread. Its not something I ever knew much about tbh...I knew that horrible horrible practices went on. I thought that sometimes therapy was practiced that was more...ethical (though cannot see how on earth it could work either way). Seems this is actually true. I also didn't know it was still legal in many parts of the US.