[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what by dressing up to hide who you really are?

brilliant

Courtney IS a part of who Shane J is..
People dress up everyday (put clothes on)
Women dress up every Friday/Sat night to go 'out on the town' ??
men may wear Joggers & tshirt during the weekend suit and tie mon-friday ??How is Shane being shane/courtney any different? other than being flamboyant?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Courtney IS a part of who Shane J is..
People dress up everyday (put clothes on)
Women dress up every Friday/Sat night to go 'out on the town' ??
men may wear Joggers & tshirt during the weekend suit and tie mon-friday ??How is Shane being shane/courtney any different? other than being flamboyant?

But they don't go the extra mile that Shane feels the need to.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

But they don't go the extra mile that Shane feels the need to.

His choice noone elses..

[chuff me dizzy]

Excellent as always Robodog I doubt anyones learned anything from the bloody attention seeking idiot ,I bet they are all bored rigid with him,hence all the nominations ,i know I for one will be glad to see the back of him and the end of the series ,as Soon as Ann goes Im switching off

[bots]

his most prolific message is that its painful to hide your genitals in the crack of your ass

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

his most prolific message is that its painful to hide your genitals in the crack of your ass

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

his most prolific message is that its painful to hide your genitals in the crack of your ass

[y.winter]

I do believe he has good intentions and that he believes thoroughly in what he's saying - and there's nothing wrong about his message.
But I can't help but think that as much as he loves his messages, he loves the sound of his own voice even more.
Funny thing, until India said it yesterday, I didn't notice that he's overdoing his message like she did hers. We get it, gay rights are a positive thing and Ann's approach is terrible - but you don't need to go on and on and on about it. He truly feels like he's the beacon of all things right, and I wonder if this is all that he can think and talk about.
I don't like Ann's opinions on things, but I do find myself rolling my eyes whenever he says idioms like "I'm not ashamed of my body!", "I'm not ashamed of a friendship between two men", with the undertone of "I'm wonderful and you need to take a leaf out of my book". Can you speak like a normal human being and not jump from one cliche to another?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by y.winter

I do believe he has good intentions and that he believes thoroughly in what he's saying - and there's nothing wrong about his message.
But I can't help but think that as much as he loves his messages, he loves the sound of his own voice even more.
Funny thing, until India said it yesterday, I didn't notice that he's overdoing his message like she did hers. We get it, gay rights are a positive thing and Ann's approach is terrible - but you don't need to go on and on and on about it. He truly feels like he's the beacon of all things right, and I wonder if this is all that he can think and talk about.
I don't like Ann's opinions on things, but I do find myself rolling my eyes whenever he says idioms like "I'm not ashamed of my body!", "I'm not ashamed of a friendship between two men", with the undertone of "I'm wonderful and you need to take a leaf out of my book". Can you speak like a normal human being and not jump from one cliche to another?

True

Speaking to my gay mates, he makes them cringe with all this self-appointed voice of the community business. Kind of enforces the gay stereotype of a 'preachy overtly-sexual drag queen' when the real message required is 'gays are as normal as the rest of us'. Being gay doesn't have to mean being outrageous and in your face.

It's also why a lot of gays cringe at gay pride. All that OTT gyrating in shiny pink pants. Not exactly normalising.

[Oliver_W]

Does he need to have a message? I usually tune out when he goes on about LGBTQWERTY but I never got the impression he has an actual message, beyond representing what he sees as a positive example of a gay person.

[Tom4784]

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

They voted for her because it's a strong Tory seat and safe for them. Even if they'd put a cat or dog up in Maidstone and The Weald they'd win. So, no Ann isn't special she is just another Swivel Eyed Loon Tory in a 100% safe Tory seat.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

No it's about trying to understand what Shane's message is exactly.

And also asking why, after having friendly discussions with Ann directly about her views, does he not continue those discussions with her instead of talking about her and her views behind her back.

If he wants to change her mind, he'd be better off doing it when she is actually there to participate in those conversations

They always discuss things like mature, friendly adults together, so it's not like she isn't open to discussion with him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

No it's about trying to understand what Shane's message is exactly.

And also asking why, after having friendly discussions with Ann directly about her views, does he not continue those discussions with her instead of talking about her and her views behind her back.

If he wants to change her mind, he'd be better off doing it when she is actually there to participate in those conversations

They always discuss things like mature, friendly adults together, so it's not like she isn't open to discussion with him.

I doubt he could change anyones views ,he's just a little creep who dresses as a woman for a living

[Amy Jade]

Greg

[Robertocarlo]

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

well said

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

Not simple if he hasn't said it.

But if that's true, then most of us already agree with that message.

And if he thinks Ann doesn't agree, why isn't he talking about it with her like he used to do?

Not very equal to discuss her and her views behind her back, denying her a right to reply.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

[girlfighter1992]

His message is a very good one actually no matter what sexuality, gender everybody should be equal.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by girlfighter1992

His message is a very good one actually no matter what sexuality, gender everybody should be equal.

Yes what a great role model talking about how he'd have sex on TV . And using the excuse of "I'm not ashamed of my body" BS .

[Livia]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Livia

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

Spot on with style as always, Livia

Reminds me of this cartoon :

https://me.me/i/i-dont-believe-that-...think-15224013