[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Straight people aren't supposed to have sex either unless they're married, if god hates sex so much why did he make it so much fun

That was just people getting creative, sex with God is surprisingly humdrum. He's strictly lights off missionary position, no foreplay. Takes what he wants and leaves you high and dry. Just a very selfish lover really

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That was just people getting creative, sex with God is surprisingly humdrum. He's strictly lights off missionary position, no foreplay. Takes what he wants and leaves you high and dry. Just a very selfish lover really

[Vicky.]

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death.

So no issue with lesbians then. I think this answers the age old question, and God is indeed a man.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So no issue with lesbians then. I think this answers the age old question, and God is indeed a man.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So no issue with lesbians then. I think this answers the age old question, and God is indeed a man.

OR... a lesbian.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OR... a lesbian.

And back to the drawing board

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OR... a lesbian.

Oh.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So no issue with lesbians then. I think this answers the age old question, and God is indeed a man.

Or a militant homophobic lesbian?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So no issue with lesbians then. I think this answers the age old question, and God is indeed a man.

tbh that line sounds more anti bi than gay. I mean you don't lie with women at all have you found the loop hole?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good old God

#lad

[Livia]

The same bit of Leviticus that says Homosexuals must die, also says that it's against God's law to plant two different crops in one field. shave your sideburns, or wear clothes of two different fabrics.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The same bit of Leviticus that says Homosexuals must die, also says that it's against God's law to plant two different crops in one field. shave your sideburns, or wear clothes of two different fabrics.

Yeah see to me that just proves how "man made" the bible actually is, it's totally stuff related to thinking of the times

[Livia]

There's a lot of focus on what the Bible says about homosexuality. In truth, it doesn't say that much, neither does the Quran. The Bible has been written by countless people over many centuries and has been translated and edited many times. I cannot see where the words of God himself say that homosexuals must die. Other people may have said that, but not God, neither in the Quran nor the Bible. The story of Lot appears in both books... and the words of Allah are clear in the Quran, as they are in the Torah... nowhere does he say kill homosexuals. Mohammed said it... but not Allah.

So in conclusion, I don't believe God hates gay people. He gave us Ten Commandments to live by, commandments to live a good and wholesome life... gays don't get a mention.

[glibberglobber]

The first people were man and woman.

Case closed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

The first people were man and woman.

Case closed

Ah so you're a creationist? You believe the world is only 5000 years old.

Good for you...…………...

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ah so you're a creationist? You believe the world is only 5000 years old.

Good for you...…………...

Whoever said 5000 years ago? There is physical proof for the existence of Egyptians in 3000 BC and Scientists believe humans evolved into our current form at least 100,000 years ago..

If the first people were not man and woman how would life continue?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Whoever said 5000 years ago? There is physical proof for the existence of Egyptians in 3000 BC and Scientists believe humans evolved into our current form at least 100,000 years ago..

If the first people were not man and woman how would life continue?

I dont quite get your point, even if it were men and women first, what does that prove and why case closed?

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I dont quite get your point, even if it were men and women first, what does that prove and why case closed?

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

[Livia]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Whoever said 5000 years ago? There is physical proof for the existence of Egyptians in 3000 BC and Scientists believe humans evolved into our current form at least 100,000 years ago..

If the first people were not man and woman how would life continue?

Hmmm... you use Adam and Eve as an analogy and then need creationism spelled out for you. I feel embarrassed for you.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

The first people were man and woman.

Case closed

Oh glob off

[user104658]

The Old Testament is explicitly anti-homosexual and anyone who is claiming to be able to interpret it differently is simply lying to themselves. However (for Christians) the New Testament supposedly "overrules" the Old Testament.

The New Testament explicitly describes homosexual relations as a sin but doesn't suggest that people should judge or punish based on those sins, rather that we should all accept each other regardless of sin (because literally everyone has varying degrees of sin) and that acceptance into heaven depends solely on repenting for those sins (which can actually be done at the pearly gates after death.. you can basically live how you want).

Sooo... I guess it depends on how people feel about the proposition that being gay in life is fine, and should be accepted, but is nonetheless sinful and will eventually need to be apologised for.

[kirklancaster]

As Livia so rightfully says; some of what is written in the Judeo Christian bible is man's authorship but the 10 commandments are the direct words of God, and NOWHERE in those commandments does God even mention Homosexuality let alone condemn or castigate it.

(Incidentally, God's Commandments are irrefutably THE greatest and wisest lifestyle guide ever presented to mankind.)

[user104658]

I thought it was widely held Christian belief that the bible (all of it in order to be officially included), and all official translations, are guided by the hand of God and therefore infallible?

I mean otherwise... you have to take THE ENTIRE BOOK with a pinch of salt, because anyone could have stuck whatever they wanted in there, and there's no way to know which parts are right . I mean even the commandments... it's written that they're the direct word of God... but if it's being argued that "flawed men" made up other parts of the bible, it has to be accepted that some bloke could just have made up that part too. Surely?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I thought it was widely held Christian belief that the bible (all of it in order to be officially included), and all official translations, are guided by the hand of God and therefore infallible?

I mean otherwise... you have to take THE ENTIRE BOOK with a pinch of salt, because anyone could have stuck whatever they wanted in there, and there's no way to know which parts are right think:. I mean even the commandments... it's written that they're the direct word of God... but if it's being argued that "flawed men" made up other parts of the bible, it has to be accepted that some bloke could just have made up that part too. Surely?

Not ALL Christians or Jews believe that, T.S. In much the same way that not all Muslims believe that the Quran is 100% the word of Allah.

Only extremists and fundamentalists in the above religions believe that.

As for the emboldened, that's where the discerning utilise a combination of intellect, wisdom, and Faith.

A logical extension of your premise, of course, would be that we should totally disregard ANY book which is found to contain erroneous information; History textbooks which state that Henrik Schleeman excavated Troy - he located the site of ancient Troy but actually virtually destroyed the city by excavating through it to many levels below it.

Or how about disregarding all the information in Science textbooks which might still have now-disproven articles on Static Universe or Cold Fusion?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not ALL Christians or Jews believe that, T.S. In much the same way that not all Muslims believe that the Quran is 100% the word of Allah.

Only extreme fundamentalists in the above religions believe that.

Surely the point stands though... That if we only know about the commandments from religious texts, but religious texts are fallible and open to being altered or corrupted either initially or during translation, how can anyone be sure that even those are correct?

I mean, maybe there were originally only 8 commandments but then the guy who was writing it walked in on his missus shaking the headboard with the bloke next door, so he was like "OI! What is this? Where's my pen? Hmph. NO ADULTERY. NO TO BANGING YOUR NEIGHBOURS WIFE. THAT MEANS YOU, BOB!" and so now there's 10.