[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

That isn’t a different gender sweetie

I never said it was.

People make mistakes in referring to people as things they assume they are.

[Marsh.]

Not being funny but if I met her on a train I'd ask for her autograph. Spitting image of Mrs Brown.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not being funny but if I met her on a train I'd ask for her autograph. Spitting image of Mrs Brown.

[armand.kay]

she deserves an apology.

[Mystic Mock]

Isn't it actually more common nowadays for women to be called sir? I'm genuinely curious to see if this will really go anywhere for her considering the terminology that was used does get used for born women nowadays too.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Isn't it actually more common nowadays for women to be called sir? I'm genuinely curious to see if this will really go anywhere for her considering the terminology that was used does get used for born women nowadays too.

Lmfao I have never heard someone call a woman "sir"

[bots]

If the person complaining has masculine features and a deep voice, I would suggest there were reasonable grounds for someone not paying much attention to misgender. Without witnesses to state that the man was being a tit, this has no chance of going anywhere.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Lmfao I have never heard someone call a woman "sir"

It's not a very common thing but it does happen nowadays, admittedly more in work environments though compared to this case which is more strange if this woman is telling the truth on what the worker said to her.

It's gonna be one of those cases where a misunderstanding has happened and neither side will back down, I doubt that the woman is deliberately lying, and I doubt that the business would want to lose business by being deliberately rude to a customer.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Isn't it actually more common nowadays for women to be called sir? I'm genuinely curious to see if this will really go anywhere for her considering the terminology that was used does get used for born women nowadays too.

wut

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

wut

Maybe I've watched too much American Sci-Fi shows where that dialogue gets used a lot.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Maybe I've watched too much American Sci-Fi shows where that dialogue gets used a lot.

I think because it's probably used in the armed forces, which things like Star Trek copy with their official "officer" characters.

Don't thing women being called "sir" has ever been a social thing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think because it's probably used in the armed forces, which things like Star Trek copy with their official "officer" characters.

Don't thing women being called "sir" has ever been a social thing.

Yeah that does make sense.

I didn't realise that shows like Star Trek and Galactica had warped my world view so much.

[Alf]

Holly had to keep doing little coughs during the interview, to stop herself from laughing at the story that was being told.

[Elliot]

If someone’s misgendered, I always thought it’s best just to educate and inform them, the person apologises and the two reasonable people move on! If it persists it’s harrasment and is also protected under the gender equality act. The train company seems to be telling a different story so either they’re lying to save their asses which can’t really be proved or it does seem like a bit of a money thing

[Oliver_W]

She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker, if nothing else.

REAL LIFE: ‘Since I transitioned, life is brilliant’

It’s hard to imagine what it must be like waking up every day feeling you were born in the wrong body. But that’s exactly what life is like for people who are transgender .

Earlier this year, Katie underwent surgery and is now female, four years after starting her transition. She hopes to encourage and inspire others in a similar position to her. But what led to her making such a life-changing decision? ‘It all started back in 2014. I previously identified as a gay male,’ she says. ‘I went to a fancy dress party, wearing a dress.

‘I’d never worn a dress before. I didn’t really have any thoughts about being transgender. ‘But I went to this party and had a really good evening. ‘For several weeks after that I started to think about how comfortable I felt, not just because I was in a dress but because of my femininity.’ Katie, who was David at the time, went to see her GP and was referred to a gender clinic in Exeter.

She went on to have psychological assessments to test her state of mind and make sure that she was going down the right road.

She went on to have psychological assessments to test her state of mind and make sure that she was going down the right road.

By that point, she had ditched all her male clothes and had begun to dress as a woman. She was prescribed hormone treatment which she began to take straight away. They enhanced her breasts and gave her body more of a female shape. She continued to have appointments and assessments at the clinic until December last year when she was finally given a date for surgery. The operation took place in April this year at a hospital in Brighton.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker, if nothing else.

It’s hard to imagine what it must be like waking up every day feeling you were born in the wrong body. But that’s exactly what life is like for people who are transgender .

Erm. Apparently this is transphobic these days as no sex dysphoria is required to be 'trans', though quite what 'trans' is if not body dysphoria I don't bloody know. But thats apparently the case and thinking that sex dysphoria is necessary for being trans makes you a godawful bigot, and if you are trans yourself and say this, it means you are 'truscum'

If no body dysphoria is involved its pretty much nothing more than liking the 'wrong' stereotypes and having individual taste! Which seems to have been part of the reason we have the ridiculous situation we have today over all of this. Being male and wanting to wear a dress does not make you a woman, just as a female wearing trousers does not make her male. Nonsense.

As for the misgendering part of it, sorry but regardless of what someone is wearing their sex is generally extremely obvious, especially with late transitioning males. So it happens without even thinking. We do not recognise male/female by the fact that they have short hair and wear a suit or whatever. Thats just the stereotypes attached to sex, our eyes tell us male and female easily.

[arista]

This Fella is trouble.

[Stevieb]

Mr Waxman is no-transgender. He is a perv who just wants physical stimulation from those women for his own pleasure and is using transgender equality as a cover, like many other men, which is exactly what women said would happen.

[Northern Monkey]

‘Mr Wax my balls’ ‘Balldemort’



What a crazy world this has become.

[user104658]

The thing is, using extremely unusual / freak incidents like this waxing fellow as a benchmark for being suspicious of all transgender people is extremely misguided, and using it as justification for branding the entire population "potentially dangerous" is outright bigotry. There's no more justification for it than there is for seeing a mugshot of a black burgler and using it as justification for being suspicious of all black people "because here's evidence that THIS one is a criminal".

Balldemort is a great name, though.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The thing is, using extremely unusual / freak incidents like this waxing fellow as a benchmark for being suspicious of all transgender people is extremely misguided, and using it as justification for branding the entire population "potentially dangerous" is outright bigotry. There's no more justification for it than there is for seeing a mugshot of a black burgler and using it as justification for being suspicious of all black people "because here's evidence that THIS one is a criminal".

Balldemort is a great name, though.

Except, as usual, noone is using individual cases to claim an entire population is potentially dangerous, though its claimed each time that when you point out such a case it means you are using that against all transpeople. Acknowledging that these people (well, abusive men) exist (and they are not as few as you would think it seems) and that loopholes make it easier for pervs like Balldemort..does not mean you are saying all trans people are pervs like Balldemort.

We know that Not All Men Are Like That too.

[Vicky.]

Oh, and its not transgender people that are the main issue, as usual. Its abusive controlling narcissistic males who have clung onto the coattails of a genuine cause for dear life, and now appear to be controlling it that are the issue. How anyone cannot see that transactivism as it stands today (not genuine transactivism..but how it is now) is nothing more than a MRA movement, I will never understand.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh, and its not transgender people that are the main issue, as usual. Its abusive controlling narcissistic males who have clung onto the coattails of a genuine cause for dear life, and now appear to be controlling it that are the issue. How anyone cannot see that transactivism as it stands today (not genuine transactivism..but how it is now) is nothing more than a MRA movement, I will never understand.

Is this the same one I heard about in the news? , it feels like this is a recurring theme .
India Willoughby will be having a field day with this . Why is is when people make a genuine mistake or apologise then that's never the end of it ??? .

I think it's PC gone mad ,and it's going to get to the stage where people are too scared to address a female with a deep or croaky voice in case she has an outbust of " how dare you assume my gender " .

Plus what about people who dress a certain way but they still identity as their biological gender ?. It can be confusing at times , and if a person still sounds masculine then it's understandable how they'd be mistaken as "male" .

I think this person just wants attention , and sadly getting it even though there's more important things that should get reported .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Except, as usual, noone is using individual cases to claim an entire population is potentially dangerous, though its claimed each time that when you point out such a case it means you are using that against all transpeople. Acknowledging that these people (well, abusive men) exist (and they are not as few as you would think it seems) and that loopholes make it easier for pervs like Balldemort..does not mean you are saying all trans people are pervs like Balldemort.

We know that Not All Men Are Like That too.

And yet, the unrelated examples come out in force every time there's a thread even vaguely related to trans issues. Hmmm. And a LOT of protestations if it's pointed out; honestly it's the biggest backlash you'll get on this forum. A sensitive issue, clearly, though people are hesitant to admit it, and that says plenty.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh, and its not transgender people that are the main issue, as usual. Its abusive controlling narcissistic males who have clung onto the coattails of a genuine cause for dear life, and now appear to be controlling it that are the issue. How anyone cannot see that transactivism as it stands today (not genuine transactivism..but how it is now) is nothing more than a MRA movement, I will never understand.

Yes I imagine it probably seems so if you immerse yourself in social media / forum melting pots full of confirmation bias and frenzied hysteria.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And yet, the unrelated examples come out in force every time there's a thread even vaguely related to trans issues. Hmmm. And a LOT of protestations if it's pointed out; honestly it's the biggest backlash you'll get on this forum. A sensitive issue, clearly, though people are hesitant to admit it, and that says plenty.



Yes I imagine it probably seems so if you immerse yourself in social media / forum melting pots full of confirmation bias and frenzied hysteria.

Oh hysteria