[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the poor lady looked quite scared how he grabbed her and shoved her against that pillar

She's a lightweight protestor..she should have fought back for what she believes in instead of wimping out like a shrinking violet.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She's a lightweight protestor..she should have fought back for what she believes in instead of wimping out like a shrinking violet.

Oddly enough, many women do not stand up against men who randomly attack them, for whatever reason. I cannot imagine why, its not like male violence has the potential to escalate when someone retaliates or anything.

Didn't take long for the 'she should have reacted differently' though. I guess thats the next line of defence once 'he was scared' is chucked out because people have eyes and can watch it themselves..

[MTVN]

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

[Twosugars]

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero

You can put her as a victim, again I dont agree with the way he handled her, but calling her defenceless is laughable. She was probably asked to leave but wouldn't. I can see where he is coming from, for all he knew she could have pulled out a knife or gun. She should have just left when asked too.

[Ammi]

...she didn’t ‘stride over to one of the members’...she tried to continue her walking past of the people there when his hand went out and pushed her against a column...and he continued his physical assault of her...no one else acted with such hostility, no one else seemed to feel she was some type of threat who needed physical aggression to be stopped...I do actually find it quite worrying that a male act of such aggression and dominance toward a female would be thought of as ....’some woman being removed from a room’..../..in a not that big a deal kind of a way is how it feels...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...she didn’t ‘stride over to one of the members’...she tried to continue her walking past of the people there when his hand went out and pushed her against a column...and he continued his physical assault of her...no one else acted with such hostility, no one else seemed to feel she was some type of threat who needed physical aggression to be stopped...I do actually find it quite worrying that a male act of such aggression and dominance toward a female would be thought of as ....’some woman being removed from a room’..../..in a not that big a deal kind of a way is how it feels...

It was an unprovoked assault.
I wish she'd press charges.

She shouldn't have been there but they were already in.
It wasn't his own property.

I say again, she made no move to him.
She made no fightback or resistance to his assault.

You have covered all too in your post.

This was in public too, it's worrying to think how he'd react in a more private setting.

It most certainly was not just a woman being removed from a room.
It was assault, unprovoked assault.

He was NOT security, he is NOT the police.

Since this was seen in public and is all across the media.
It's astounding he may get away with this not going to court.

He should at the very least never hold public political office again.

I find the veiled and clearer defence of him sickening and dismaying.
He was totally out of order and I repeat in my view this was assault.
No ordinary citizen would not be hauled into court.

The guy throwing a milkshake on Farage ended up in court and he never physically touched Farage.

I'd question if this man should be allowed to remain an MP.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero

Man or woman,makes no difference we are all equal now are we not ? or is that just when it suits.

[bots]

there are 100 different ways that could have been handled better. Just think for a moment if the person had been armed and what the result might have been.

It is against the law to use excessive force, and with that video, there is plenty evidence for police to decide if a law was broken.

For there not to be security at an event like that is shocking. Thats where the real issue is.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Man or woman,makes no difference we are all equal now are we not ? or is that just when it suits.

He knows he did wrong and already apologised unreservedly to her. And referred himself to the cabinet office for investigation
But you carry on

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

He knows he did wrong and already apologised unreservedly to her. And referred himself to the cabinet office for investigation
But you carry on

i will,don't need your permission.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Man or woman,makes no difference we are all equal now are we not ? or is that just when it suits.

agree don't see what gender has to do with anything at all here

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

agree don't see what gender has to do with anything at all here

Plenty. Like others said he went for her bc he realized he could play a hero tackling a weaker woman. Disgusting

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Plenty. Like others said he went for her bc he realized he could play a hero tackling a weaker woman. Disgusting

That is peoples opinion, we don't know that for a fact at all, just because 'others have said it doesn't male it true', I don't agree with how he handled it at all, though having listened to the other side of the argument there is a heighted tension because of Jo Cox

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

agree don't see what gender has to do with anything at all here

Equal does not mean the same tbh. And surely noone would deny the strength differences between males and females.

Sex (not gender, sorry, bug bear of mine ) does tend to matter, when its violence against women, oddly enough. Especially when..its highly unlikely the man would have reacted the same way had a bloke walked towards him.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Equal does not mean the same tbh. And surely noone would deny the strength differences between males and females.

Sex (not gender, sorry, bug bear of mine ) does tend to matter, when its violence against women, oddly enough. Especially when..its highly unlikely the man would have reacted the same way had a bloke walked towards him.

No but if he had manhandled a man in the same way there should be the same outcry

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero

She could have had a weapon.


Perfect way to deal
with a Protester

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

She could have had a weapon.


Perfect way to deal
with a Protester

What a machete in her clutch bag? Or a gun up her fanny?
Have another look at how she was dressed and tell me where would she hide the weapon

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

What a machete in her clutch bag? Or a gun up her fanny?
Have another look at how she was dressed and tell me where would she hide the weapon

She could easily have had a knife clutched in her left hand in amongst all those papers or in fact a bottle of acid..maybe even a gun.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She could easily have had a knife clutched in her left hand in amongst all those papers or in fact a bottle of acid..maybe even a gun.

could is a very big word though

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

What a machete in her clutch bag? Or a gun up her fanny?
Have another look at how she was dressed and tell me where would she hide the weapon

No a Knife
to stab you

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

She could have had a weapon.


Perfect way to deal
with a Protester

With respect.
It isn't the way to deal with a protester.

It's actually worrying anyone could think it is.

So if a group of pensioners protesting at a political event against say the licence change.
It would be fine for an MP of any party to grab one of them by the throat.

Not a chance.
What a sad indictment on this Country that his action is seen as acceptable.
By anyone.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect.
It isn't the way to deal with a protester.

It's actually worrying anyone could think it is.

So if a group of pensioners protesting at a political event against say the licence change.
It would be fine for an MP of any party to grab one of them by the throat.

Not a chance.
What a sad indictment on this Country that his action is seen as acceptable.
By anyone.

These days
you never know until its too late
She was not Hurt.
It's given Left Wing Greenpeace Free Publicity.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

These days
you never know until its too late
She was not Hurt.
It's given Left Wing Greenpeace Free Publicity.

Greenpeace are well known anyway. They dont need a tory mp to make them relevant
It's more the other way round. Who heard of him

[Twosugars]

The irony is climate crisis is infinitely more important than a dinner with a chancellor who wont be there tomorrow giving a speech which will be irrelevant when he goes