[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are no political battles left to fight, and by and large, no-one cares if you're gay.

This forum alone proves this isn’t the case

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Elliot

This forum alone proves this isn’t the case

... Go on ... ?

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, I think at this point Pride should be retired.

There are no political battles left to fight, and by and large, no-one cares if you're gay. The odd homophobe or fag-basher isn't going to have their mind changed by the cringey and gross displays we see at Pride festivals.

Having inspirational or otherwise just well liked people in the public eye who just happen to be gay would go so much further/

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly Oliver the only conclusion I can come to is that you're lucky enough to have been extremely sheltered thus far in life. I have gay friends who are a married couple, and yet can only hold hands in public if they're on "the right side of the city". Things are far from being as peachy as you seem to believe?

Has this been tested..or did they just have a bad experienceone night?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Has this been tested..or did they just have a bad experience one night?

They've been together for more than 12 years and have lived there the entire time, they know it like the back of their hand.

It's not about being attacked or in danger, you won't get that in any mainstream part of a city (usually), but they know what parts of town it's just normal / not noteworthy, and what parts will get staring and comments. Not even from the majority of people. Obviously most people don't bat an eye at people being "openly gay" these days. But there are always those few (usually very loud) arseholes to make a comment or crack a joke.

[Liam-]

As long as in certain states of America companies are legally allowed to fire gay people just for being gay, then there are still problems to fight

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As long as in certain states of America companies are legally allowed to fire gay people just for being gay, then there are still problems to fight

Then let's keep walking down the street in bondage gear, that'll fix everything!!11

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then let's keep walking down the street in bondage gear, that'll fix everything!!11

While I agree that that’s a tad grotesque, the percentage of people that actually do that is so small that it shouldn’t demean the rest of the event, quite frankly, you’re being purposely obtuse, for what reason? Idk, but to suggest there isn’t still a fight happening for gay equality is ridiculous

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

While I agree that that’s a tad grotesque, the percentage of people that actually do that is so small that it shouldn’t demean the rest of the event, quite frankly, you’re being purposely obtuse, for what reason? Idk, but to suggest there isn’t still a fight happening for gay equality is ridiculous

I'd never say that it's all rosy now, but in the UK we have all the rights we need. We're even allowed to drive, fancy that!!11

The only real issues gays still face are social ones, and they need to be addressed in different ways

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'd never say that it's all rosy now, but in the UK we have all the rights we need. We're even allowed to drive, fancy that!!11

The only real issues gays still face are social ones, and they need to be addressed in different ways

Pride is an international thing, so again, to suggest getting rid of it because we’re treated alright here is ludicrous.

And how do you suggest going about that? Hiding away and not rubbing our gayness in the straights faces?

[Marsh.]

Stop embarrassing yourself Oliver.

Next you'll be telling us women have no more reason to fight politically. It's not as though they're having their rights stripped left and right... oh wait.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Stop embarrassing yourself Oliver.

Next you'll be telling us women have no more reason to fight politically. It's not as though they're having their rights stripped left and right... oh wait.

Which rights have been stripped away?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which rights have been stripped away?

The choice of whether or not they want to have a baby for a start

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The choice of whether or not they want to have a baby for a start

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

We’re talking about Pride, a worldwide events, but nice little tactic there, avoid the human rights issues in America by pointing fingers elsewhere

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

Because the circumstances for women and gay people is so much better "Eastward"?

If women are having their rights to their own bodies stripped away even in the West then there is still very much a fight to be had. The same goes for homosexuals.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which rights have been stripped away?

For women?

[Liam-]

Gross

[Tom4784]

'Let's not focus on problems on our side of the world when we can just pretend they don't exist so we can tut in judgement of arabic people.'

That's the long and short of your argument regarding human rights abuse in the US.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'It means nothing'.

So much ignorance. Learn your history.

I love history - kings and queens and wars and old gods and old cultures ... the history of how homos treated isn't as interesting, and learning about it won't give me more appreciation of being attracted to the same gender.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Let's not focus on problems on our side of the world when we can just pretend they don't exist so we can tut in judgement of arabic people.'

That's the long and short of your argument regarding human rights abuse in the US.

We're not American, so why complain about American things? If you're going to complain about American things, why not worse things?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I love history - kings and queens and wars and old gods and old cultures ... the history of how homos treated isn't as interesting, and learning about it won't give me more appreciation of being attracted to the same gender.


We're not American, so why complain about American things? If you're going to complain about American things, why not worse things?

[Beso]

It's a go to atm for large companies....something to grab onto to show an understanding side to them...


They won't think twice about dropping the themes they have adopted when the next opportunity arises for them..

[Northern Monkey]

Don’t know.Never actually in my life encountered a gay pride march.Never ever seen one.