[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

It’s more her previous transphobic comments which is the issue

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

No, the killer is a man who pretends to be a woman in order to kill women, it directly correlates to her transphobic views she’s been spewing, it’s almost like she’s done it cause she knew she had a book on the subject coming up she wanted to sell

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, the killer is a man who pretends to be a woman in order to kill women, it directly correlates to her transphobic views she’s been spewing, it’s almost like she’s done it cause she knew she had a book on the subject coming up she wanted to sell

So did Norman Bates, but nobody accused Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins of being transphobic. Stories are just that, stories.

[Niamh.]

Looks like its affecting her sales.....

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Swan

So did Norman Bates, but nobody accused Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins of being transphobic. Stories are just that, stories.

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

So did Norman Bates, but nobody accused Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins of being transphobic. Stories are just that, stories.

I don’t know much about either of those people, did they wage public wars on the trans community to build a platform for those things to be sold?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

Like women should be referred to as women rather than people who menstrate? Shocking

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t know much about either of those people, did they wage public wars on the trans community to build a platform for those things to be sold?

Did she really 'wage war' on the trans community though?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Did she really 'wage war' on the trans community though?

Rose, a transwomen who was on GMB doesn't think so but that man does

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

Did she really 'wage war' on the trans community though?

Yes

[Niamh.]

No she did not Liam

[user104658]

No because I don't engage in tribalistic hivemind nonsense. I don't agree with everything JK has had to say and I also don't think she's a transphobe - shocking, eh? It's almost as if you can hear two sides of a debate, see some truth in both and not start hating everyone who has opinions that don't align with your own even if you find them hurtful. Anyone else remember when that was a thing? Ahh nostalgia...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No she did not Liam

It’s okay if you want to think that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

Did she really 'wage war' on the trans community though?

It's an absolutely flabbergasting level of hyperbole. She things that there are issues where trans rights, women's right and safeguarding rights collide (there are) and admittedly she has, in my opinion, unfortunately been drawn into "the battle" a little after having a lot of aggression heaped on for those opinions. Some of what she's had to say since it all started kicking off has come off as defensive and not well thought through.

I think in broad strokes though, she sees herself as being in a position to ensure that a spotlight remains on women's concerns around these issues and honestly I think anyone who doesn't have a personal stake in the game sees that that is reasonable. I have serious doubts about anyone who puts there fingers in their ears and chants "there ARE no concerns transphobe!".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s okay if you want to think that

And it's OK if you want to claim it without bothering to provide examples or back it up as a reasonable claim. I wouldn't really expect anyone to listen though. You can't just say "X is true" and then when people say "in what way?" you respond "just is".

Well. Again, you can but it doesn't really have much substance, does it.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And it's OK if you want to claim it without bothering to provide examples or back it up as a reasonable claim. I wouldn't really expect anyone to listen though. You can't just say "X is true" and then when people say "in what way?" you respond "just is".

Well. Again, you can but it doesn't really have much substance, does it.

Well that’s the point isn’t it, everyone who doesn’t agree with you or JK herself have all been labelled as sexist, emotional or extreme so, yeah, there’s no point in providing anything.

I’m not here to convince you or anybody else, I just give my opinions, not my problem if it’s not good enough for you

[user104658]

Can I also point out that the original "psycho" actually DOES come off as a little transphobic (I think the series handled it better), as does "Silence Of The Lambs" (more than a little, let's face it... The guy is skinning women and wearing their skin because he has gender dysphoria)?

Did either legitimately have a profoundly negative impact on the trans community? That is an actual question by the way; maybe they did, I don't know for a fact that they didn't, but I have to say I haven't heard many people legitimately scared that actual transwomen are going to start Buffalo Billing women.

[Nicky91]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well that’s the point isn’t it, everyone who doesn’t agree with you or JK herself have all been labelled as sexist, emotional or extreme so, yeah, there’s no point in providing anything.



I’m not here to convince you or anybody else, I just give my opinions, not my problem if it’s not good enough for you

But I just said that I don't agree with everything JK has said or done . I just don't think it's an either-or, I don't think people who disagree with her are extreme, I do think people who automatically scream "transphobe!" are extreme and a bit sheepy and I do think that people who are unwilling to even discuss the issues tend to have an emotional investment that effects that objectivity on the subject. The claim that "we won't allow anyone to even discuss the possibility that there are conflicts of rights and safeguarding issues because we already know that there aren't any, just cos we think there won't be and its offensive to wonder if there are and you're a transphobe if you think otherwise" isn't a defensible position. It's only ever going to be accepted as any sort of position by other people who hold the SAME position, and frankly that group is starting to look increasingly outnumbered.

I think dogmatically holding that ground at this point is going to untimately be counter-productive and the discussion is going to be had nonetheless, but with lacking representation on one side, who refuses to engage.

That's just my opinion though of course.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Can I also point out that the original "psycho" actually DOES come off as a little transphobic (I think the series handled it better), as does "Silence Of The Lambs" (more than a little, let's face it... The guy is skinning women and wearing their skin because he has gender dysphoria)?

Did either legitimately have a profoundly negative impact on the trans community? That is an actual question by the way; maybe they did, I don't know for a fact that they didn't, but I have to say I haven't heard many people legitimately scared that actual transwomen are going to start Buffalo Billing women.

I think it all boils down to if the story has merit. Psycho made perfect sense, for example. I think both films raised issues on mental health, rather than being transphobic.

Does JKR's new story have merit, i guess that's the question.

Judging on what she said previously, i don't get the big deal, it's outrage overload, as you said.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

No way back then
better years
he was thinking of his next Film, instead.


He was a Top Director
great at shocking you.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But I just said that I don't agree with everything JK has said or done . I just don't think it's an either-or, I don't think people who disagree with her are extreme, I do think people who automatically scream "transphobe!" are extreme and a bit sheepy and I do think that people who are unwilling to even discuss the issues tend to have an emotional investment that effects that objectivity on the subject. The claim that "we won't allow anyone to even discuss the possibility that there are conflicts of rights and safeguarding issues because we already know that there aren't any, just cos we think there won't be and its offensive to wonder if there are and you're a transphobe if you think otherwise" isn't a defensible position. It's only ever going to be accepted as any sort of position by other people who hold the SAME position, and frankly that group is starting to look increasingly outnumbered.

I think dogmatically holding that ground at this point is going to untimately be counter-productive and the discussion is going to be had nonetheless, but with lacking representation on one side, who refuses to engage.

That's just my opinion though of course.

Do you actually believe that people like JK and the LGB alliance would be willing to sit and listen to trans representatives and their opinions and experiences? I personally don’t think so, as someone with ‘no chips in the game’ It seems like people want to make all the decisions about the future of trans rights, without having to actually think about trans people themselves.

At the end of the day JK is a business woman, now that her new book is coming out, it patently obvious to me that she’s done everything she’s done and said over the past few months, to garner whatever interest she could to further her sales, it’s the same as Piers Morgan stoking they ‘woke culture war’ to promote his new book and Lawrence Fox turning into a right wing rent-a-gob to elevate a flagging career, it’s a shame she’s had to go down this route because she’s a decent writer.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yes

What has she said to make you think that?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It’s more her previous transphobic comments which is the issue

Like what?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s okay if you want to think that

Thanks Liam