[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's a shame that people who are struggling have to listen to attitudes like this all the time

It's easier to look down on the less fortunate then to admit that most of us are just a few bad days away from being them.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's a shame that people who are struggling have to listen to attitudes like this all the time

Because there are always a few that spoil it for the rest and abuse the system...

[Oliver_W]

Like yeah, if the parents are going to be given money or vouchers, there should be something in place to ensure the money goes toward feeding the family, but that point can be made in a way which doesn't suggest they'd otherwise spend it on "booze and fags"

[arista]

Give them 8 mini Sausages in beans tin
that would help.

[Ammi]

...I can’t imagine what’s in those sausages but I doubt they would provide much sustenance for a child...

[Cherie]

is the 30.00 allocated for one child? and just for lunch?

My son spends £30.00 a week on food for the whole week for himself

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I can’t imagine what’s in those sausages but I doubt they would provide much sustenance for a child...

Pork

[Tom4784]

Charity highlights the failures of a government to provide, if Tory supporters are saying that Marcus should put forth his own money to take care of British children then that's them admitting that the Tories are incapable of doing so, thus admitting tory incompetence.

[user104658]

Can I just add as a little celtic brag - Scotland is still giving cold hard cash in lieu of school meals to those who qualify for free meals. No shame-vouchers, no boxes of scraps.

*that's celtic not Celtic, before LT panics and breaks out the flute.

[Novo]

not saying the government isn't accountable and they are doing enough because they clearly are not but playing devil's advocate for a minute here - maybe Elite footballers or elite sports stars in general maybe should be doing more in times like this (along with the government doing more) and i say that because not much has changed for them during this, they are still on the same wages, they still get to live their dream whilst the average Joe is abiding by strict laws to stay indoors (which is taking a hit on mental health) and paying more money to watch them on subscription services because they aren't allowed into grounds, you have teams who are travelling across europe to play competitions and even going for breaks in Dubai, (Qualifying for the Australian open tennis tournament is even taking place in dubai right now) and then they get to jet off to Australia and earn 6 and 7 figure sums and of course they are pampered and taken good care off, your average supermarket worker or delivery driver on the other hand not to much.


i have heard so many stories about elite footballers breaking rules in recent months and getting a slap on the wrist for it, could name countless ones in top divisions who have clearly took the luxury they have for granted tbf and i say that as a huge football fan but they take the piss

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Novo

not saying the government isn't accountable and they are doing enough because they clearly are not but playing devil's advocate for a minute here - maybe Elite footballers or elite sports stars in general maybe should be doing more in times like this (along with the government doing more) and i say that because not much has changed for them during this, they are still on the same wages, they still get to live their dream whilst the average Joe is abiding by strict laws to stay indoors (which is taking a hit on mental health) and paying more money to watch them on subscription services because they aren't allowed into grounds, you have teams who are travelling across europe to play competitions and even going for breaks in Dubai, (Qualifying for the Australian open tennis tournament is even taking place in dubai right now) and then they get to jet off to Australia and earn 6 and 7 figure sums and of course they are pampered and taken good care off, your average supermarket worker or delivery driver on the other hand not to much.


i have heard so many stories about elite footballers breaking rules in recent months and getting a slap on the wrist for it, could name countless ones in top divisions who have clearly took the luxury they have for granted tbf and i say that as a huge football fan but they take the piss

We shouldn't need to make sports stars feed our kids; we need to collect taxes so that we can. Billions wasted on contracts for tory donors during this pandemic.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We shouldn't need to make sports stars feed our kids; we need to collect taxes so that we can. Billions wasted on contracts for tory donors during this pandemic.

well if they don't follow the same rules as we do then we should be making them feed the kids and making donations, a lot of them clearly abuse the privileges they have as seen by recent events and the suspension of lower leagues, and even apart from that the simple fact they are allowed to travel across the country and still do their dream job whilst others can not is morally questionable imo

they are suppose to set an example at times like this not be drinking beers on the beach in dubai or bringing girls in from across the country to shag, i think a lot of them don't realise how easy they have had it compared to most people during all this tbf

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Novo

well if they don't follow the same rules as we do then we should be making them feed the kids and making donations, a lot of them clearly abuse the privileges they have as seen by recent events and the suspension of lower leagues, and even apart from that the simple fact they are allowed to travel across the country and still do their dream job whilst others can not is morally questionable imo

they are suppose to set an example at times like this not be drinking beers on the beach in dubai or bringing girls in from across the country to shag, i think a lot of them don't realise how easy they have had it compared to most people during all this tbf

Not really. It was only a few months ago, that Jordan Henderson and Harry Maguire got together to coordinate footie players giving more. What you're advocating for there is communism, and whilst I would welcome you as our new Stalin, I doubt the rest of the country would be that open to it!

Why are footballers supposed to set examples and not the people actually running the country?


Good to see you back, by the way.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not really. It was only a few months ago, that Jordan Henderson and Harry Maguire got together to coordinate footie players giving more. What you're advocating for there is communism, and whilst I would welcome you as our new Stalin, I doubt the rest of the country would be that open to it!

Why are footballers supposed to set examples and not the people actually running the country?


Good to see you back, by the way.

2 footballers players get together to talk about giving more and that solves it? lol, doesn't really wash with me tbf, football fans pay these guys wages ffs they are the ones keeping them in the job year in and year out without the fans the clubs don't exist and the fans are the ones who are suffering the most right now so i can't give a **** about them being all talk and no action whilst being paid 150,000 a week, any rule breaks from them (and lets be fair its happened to much with them) and they should be forced to give up wages to donate, they have the luxury to do that whilst still be able to live the dream

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Novo

not saying the government isn't accountable and they are doing enough because they clearly are not but playing devil's advocate for a minute here - maybe Elite footballers or elite sports stars in general maybe should be doing more in times like this (along with the government doing more) and i say that because not much has changed for them during this, they are still on the same wages, they still get to live their dream whilst the average Joe is abiding by strict laws to stay indoors (which is taking a hit on mental health) and paying more money to watch them on subscription services because they aren't allowed into grounds, you have teams who are travelling across europe to play competitions and even going for breaks in Dubai, (Qualifying for the Australian open tennis tournament is even taking place in dubai right now) and then they get to jet off to Australia and earn 6 and 7 figure sums and of course they are pampered and taken good care off, your average supermarket worker or delivery driver on the other hand not to much.


i have heard so many stories about elite footballers breaking rules in recent months and getting a slap on the wrist for it, could name countless ones in top divisions who have clearly took the luxury they have for granted tbf and i say that as a huge football fan but they take the piss

Yeah, can't argue with any of that really but I think it's more reason why Marus Rashford shouldn't be getting berated when at least he's doing a lot more than most

[Oliver_W]

I don't have the "it'll be me someday" syndrome -SEN support in public education isn't exactly lucrative!- but I'd sooner see a lot of the fat trimmed from public expenses before tax rises. I don't know how much of the things https://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/frugal-blog/12468/20-disgusting-wasteful-examples-of-spending-by-the-uk-government/]here still apply, but all this coupled with clamping down on cronyism? That money could go a long way.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't have the "it'll be me someday" syndrome -SEN support in public education isn't exactly lucrative!- but I'd sooner see a lot of the fat trimmed from public expenses before tax rises. I don't know how much of the things https://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/frugal-blog/12468/20-disgusting-wasteful-examples-of-spending-by-the-uk-government/]here still apply, but all this coupled with clamping down on cronyism? That money could go a long way.

I think there are areas that are obviously wasteful - so long as that's in good faith and the cuts are in the vein of increasing efficiency WITHOUT cutting services (You can cut fuel costs for garbage collection? GREAT! You're doing it by cutting the number of collections to one a month? **** off.)

I also think tax doesn't need raising in the "achievable range" and if anything could be cut in a certain range. I'd place that range at the £70k - £120k range which I think IS realistically achievable for many people and I think in an ideal world both the 0% tax range would be extended up to £20k, and the tax bands beyond that would be cut by 5 - 10% per tier up to £120k.

However I'd have that hand-in-hand with a MASSIVE crackdown on tax avoidance in the very-high-income range and on large companies. People on £100k are still, at the end of the day, consumers and that's the vital point. There are areas where money is pooling/stockpiling with a tiny number of individuals and it's just not sustainable.

[Kizzy]

The issue for me is having 'companies' Do this, they are profit driven and this is the reason £30 amounts to that amount of food because the business takes their percentage.
Why not leave it to communities? I'm sure they would be able to sort this better. I don't agree with vouchers either, not because they may be exploited but it would take from the spirit of community it has created, the sheer volume of donations and surplus stock from supermarkets shows how we are more than willing to support the vulnerable, vouchers would take that away.

[Kizzy]

I think the amount who judge are considerable.. theyre made to judge, look at headlines across decades 'scummy mummy' ' pramface' all manner of poverty porn, 'can't pay well take it away', ' benefits street' and others.
Societal division was and is the norm.
Does anyone think this was unintentional?... of course not and to an extent it's worked, communities are massively fragmented to how they were in say our grandparents day.

Thankfully that process is not yet complete, which is why you have those who fill the bags and baskets at the supermarket for those who need the support.

Are the cries of 'bleeding heart' ' sjw' levelled at those who help and think we should help.. Is that part and parcel of the undermining of societal cohesion?

Are those divided easier to manipulate and exploit?

[The Slim Reaper]

[Vanessa]

Those food parcels aren't worth 30 pounds.
Where's the food? There's hardly anything in it!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Those food parcels aren't worth 30 pounds.
Where's the food? There's hardly anything in it!

Yeah its Pathetic really , might as well of given them vouchers to buy their own food .

[The Slim Reaper]

Just a reminder that Corbyn wanted to enshrine the right to food for every citizen.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Yes Well Done
the Yorkshire Local Paper.



The Company claims they were not ready
for this new Lockdown.

[Alf]

My opinion hasn't changed. I believe the Children in need charity should be having this covered.