[Tom4784]

An article from the Daily Mail that's full of language and terminology meant to incite gammon about gender? Surely not!?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

An article from the Daily Mail that's full of language and terminology meant to incite gammon about gender? Surely not!?

TRUE fair point

But they can't erase female phrases and the word woman , so i'm hoping this just applies to people who identify that way .

[Ammi]

...I don’t really have much comment atm because I don’t want to just take a DM article for something like this...I have tried to Google more and the terminology seems to be specific to these hospitals in their new guidance...I mean for staff use, not what would be expected of any terminology used beyond that...it’s a difficult one...for me anyway...because I do feel that trans inclusivity has importance also...


...there is a maternity pay bill being rushed through today, I read...I’m not sure the details but it’s being apparently rushed through because of a minister about to go on maternity leave...I always wonder with this type of story, if it’s there for a diversion, it’ll be interesting as to what the bill is exactly...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t really have much comment atm because I don’t want to just take a DM article for something like this...I have tried to Google more and the terminology seems to be specific to these hospitals in their new guidance...I mean for staff use, not what would be expected of any terminology used beyond that...it’s a difficult one...for me anyway...because I do feel that trans inclusivity has importance also...


...there is a maternity pay bill being rushed through today, I read...I’m not sure the details but it’s being apparently rushed through because of a minister about to go on maternity leave...I always wonder with this type of story, if it’s there for a diversion, it’ll be interesting as to what the bill is exactly...

Its on Every News Headlines
Forget the DM

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Its on Every News Headlines
Forget the DM

...I know that it’s not just the DM carrying the story, Arista...but it’s still for me not a complete story because we don’t know how the terms are going to be applied, whether it’s on medical/hospital documentation/reports only etc...these are tabloid media, it seems most wise to feel the need for a complete story and context etc...

[Oliver_W]

The story has also been covered by the Mirror and Metro, for those who find the Daily Mail too scary

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...terms-23473645
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/10/brigh...sive-14055419/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The story has also been covered by the Mirror and Metro, for those who find the Daily Mail too scary

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...terms-23473645
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/10/brigh...sive-14055419/

There's absolutely nothing scary about that idiot's lantern of a newspaper. Let's not make out that people who find Daily Mail's continued love of misinformation and spin disgusting somehow fear it, we simply hold journalism to a higher standard and are actually interested in news, not spin meant to rile up the gullible.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The story has also been covered by the Mirror and Metro, for those who find the Daily Mail too scary

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...terms-23473645
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/10/brigh...sive-14055419/

Thank you Oliver
for helping Ammi.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Thank you Oliver
for helping Ammi.

...behave yourself, Arista...

[Livia]

If you're giving birth and/or breastfeeding, you're a woman. That's nature. I don't see why women can't be referred to as women because a handful of women identifying as men, and still having unprotected sex, might be offended.

[Smithy]

There isn’t a single person out there that’s campaigned for these changes it’s all a load of trash by the media reporting it to further their anti trans agenda

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

There isn’t a single person out there that’s campaigned for these changes it’s all a load of trash by the media reporting it to further their anti trans agenda

If no one campaigns for it why does it get changed, who prompts that change? And why when prompted to be more inclusive, is it only changing on the women's side?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

There isn’t a single person out there that’s campaigned for these changes

Thats just..not true. It appears to be 'fringe groups' and such mainly, granted. And oddball loner types bombarding companies to change their terms. However, even the likes of stonewall are pushing for 'gender neutral language' . To say its just anti trans stuff made up by the media or whatever is just..false. The media is actually fairly slow on the uptake with this stuff..not too long back there was a situation in the UK same as niamh described in Ireland, where NHS cervical cancer leaflets and such suddenly removed the words woman and female completely. Its now both (as it should be, women AND those wth a cervix) but the answer was apparently to remove women totally. Media were almost silent at the time, as it was a bit suprising. Again, the lack of changes to prostate cancer pages and such was notable.