[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who is killing trans people though?

At least 350 trans people were killed in 2020 alone

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

At least 350 trans people were killed in 2020 alone

Did you know 287 of those deaths were in South and Central America? There seems to be a huge problem over there in general with violence. Violence against women and sex workers especially is also very very high. I don't think outside of these countries there is an epidemic of trans people being murdered (which is good news)

[Smithy]

Numbers are always very sketchy when it comes to trans deaths, it’s more important to look at violence against trans people as a whole which is a much more worrying figure

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Numbers are always very sketchy when it comes to trans deaths, it’s more important to look at violence against trans people as a whole which is a much more worrying figure

I don't think this is correct actually. Violence against trans people in South or Central America will probably have different factors/causes than violence against trans people in the UK or Europe in general. Like I said violence in general is a huge problem in South and Central American cities, a massive number of trans people were murdered there yes but also a massive number of women were murdered there and in both these groups of people a lot were sex workers, they're always more at risk of violence

[Smithy]

I’m talking about Globally though not just C/S America

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I’m talking about Globally though not just C/S America

How many transpeople were murdered in the UK in 2020 for instance?

[Smithy]

One person is too many

The point is that articles like this push an anti trans narrative when trans people are already suffering

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...land-and-wales

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

One person is too many

The point is that articles like this push an anti trans narrative when trans people are already suffering

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...land-and-wales

Good job the answer is Zero then

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Good job the answer is Zero then

How do you know that?

It’s not just about death - violence also, and articles like this really push an anti-trans narrative

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Good job the answer is Zero then

Just because it hasn’t been reported doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, like I said numbers are very sketchy when it comes to these sorts of issues

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) confirmed to FactCheck that “it is not possible to identify transgender victims in current homicide statistics” and “the sex of a homicide victim is determined by the police force that records the crime”.

In other words, there is not yet an official, standardised method for recording the deaths of trans people across the UK. The ONS told FactCheck they are working across government to “develop clear harmonised standards” for collecting data on sex and gender.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

How do you know that?

It’s not just about death - violence also, and articles like this really push an anti-trans narrative

The same way you got your figure?

I'm not getting into an argument about the article, it's a stupid article whether it's true or not. I simply wanted to know about the pretty big statement Samm made that turns out is pretty disingenuous.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Just because it hasn’t been reported doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, like I said numbers are very sketchy when it comes to these sorts of issues

You don't think a murder would be reported?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You don't think a murder would be reported?

Did you read the quote

the sex of a homicide victim is determined by the police

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Did you read the quote

So what are you saying with that quote? That you have no idea whether trans people are being murdered or not? Surely if transpeople were being murdered because they were trans people that would be a factor in the investigation and so would most definitely be reported as a trans murder?

[user104658]

The outrage about the branding change is fake and agenda driven but so are all of the bull**** agenda-driven "facts and stats" that trans rights people come out with and thgen refuse to back up "because its offensive that they should have to". It isn't offensive - be prepared to back your stats or don't post them. Or by all means post them if you want but don't be surprised if no one takes them seriously. If the stats are true you can source them. If you won't source them it's because either you can't find them, in which case they're probably made up/feelings based, OR you can't be bothered which is again fine but don't get huffy if people won't listen to your unsourced "just trust meh" claims.

[Saph]

I say just let the Potato family choose their own pronouns

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Saph

I say just let the Potato family choose their own pronouns

they are bits of plastic

they are not real potato people

[Saph]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are bits of plastic

they are not real potato people

then why is everyone so outraged

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Saph

then why is everyone so outraged

Who is outraged?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Saph

then why is everyone so outraged

I cant think of a single person who is save Arista?

[Niamh.]

Actually a comment on the story itself, it's actually a good change for Mrs Potato head, previously she fell under the Mr Potato head branding, now both she and her husband fall under the Potato head brand, a step forward for women's rights

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually a comment on the story itself, it's actually a good change for Mrs Potato head, previously she fell under the Mr Potato head branding, now both she and her husband fall under the Potato head brand, a step forward for women's rights

[Tom4784]

Another non-story meant to get gullible and easily led gammon upset over issues of gender.

[Shaun]

only on TiBB could an arbitrary marketing scheme turn into a thread where moderators tell us how non-persecuted trans people are

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Shaun

only on TiBB could an arbitrary marketing scheme turn into a thread where moderators tell us how non-persecuted trans people are

Where?