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[MTVN]

I've just booked a holiday to Kiev for 2 weeks time, maybe I'll get to see Putin's tanks roll in

[bots]

i thought we were using sanctions as the mechanism to discourage them. Actually providing hardware to protect ukraine pretty much drags us in to the conflict

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've just booked a holiday to Kiev for 2 weeks time, maybe I'll get to see Putin's tanks roll in

If they go to War
you can be a Prisoner

[MTVN]

Not if I pick the winning side

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not if I pick the winning side

If Russia gets their Army Tanks into Ukraine
Russia has won.


So you will be under Putin.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not if I pick the winning side

We all know which side you picked when you had the audacity to call it Kiev rather than Kyiv.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

We all know which side you picked when you had the audacity to call it Kiev rather than Kyiv.

[Nicky91]

what if there won't be a invasion?


Putin keeps denying anything regarding this ''invasion of ukraine''




there always has been trouble between Ukraine and Russia, regarding who owns Crimean Tatar region for example, where Russian gets support by ukrainian rebels, which led to the Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 shootdown incident

[Nicky91]

Netherlands PM Mark Rutte and dutch minister of foreign affairs Wopke Hoekstra will travel to Ukraine to try and help out in this conflict

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/19/dutch-...ns-russia-rise

Prime Minister Mark Rutte plans to travel to Ukraine "soon" with Foreign Affairs Minister Wopke Hoekstra. He said this during the parliamentary debate on the government statement. Rutte called the situation at the border between Russia and Ukraine "very worrying."

Russia sent tens of thousands of soldiers to the border with Ukraine, pushing the tension in the region to a very high level. According to Rutte, the European Union is seeking dialogue with Moscow and putting pressure on Russia to prevent military action.

Even a limited military operation on the Russian side will involve high costs, Rutte warned. "It is important that we realize that." The European Union is preparing sanctions. The Netherlands is closely involved in this as the fifth largest EU economy, according to the Prime Minister.

Whether Rutte will attempt to contact Moscow himself is unclear. Last year he refrained from attending any meeting with Russian president Vladimir Putin at an EU summit. "I will not participate in a meeting with Vladimir Putin myself," he said at a European Council meeting in Brussels in June. When a reporter asked why he replied, "MH17."

The Malaysia Airlines flight was shot down over eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014, killing all 298 people on board, many of whom were Dutch. Investigation showed that the plane was shot down by a BUK missile system from a field in Ukraine that was under the control of pro-Russian separatists. The investigation team tracked the missile system's transport from Russia to the field and back.

The trial against the first four men suspected of involvement in the downing of the plane is currently ongoing. In December, the Public Prosecution Service demanded life in prison against all four.

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[MTVN]

I've been reading a lot about this recently with my upcoming trip, the Ukrainians are very grateful to Britain for transporting a lot of weapons to them while the US only talks vaguely about sanctions and Germany has banned any transportation of weapons from going through their airspace. They refuse to provide any weaponry because they say they have a restrictive arms export policy but they have just sent a huge amount of military equipment to Egypt

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've been reading a lot about this recently with my upcoming trip, the Ukrainians are very grateful to Britain for transporting a lot of weapons to them while the US only talks vaguely about sanctions and Germany has banned any transportation of weapons from going through their airspace. They refuse to provide any weaponry because they say they have a restrictive arms export policy but they have just sent a huge amount of military equipment to Egypt

Yes,
USA no longer wants to be the World Police
they say/claim they will damage the Russia banks and
Financial Sanctions


Putin Told Biden last week or so
he does not mind.

All Putin is Demanding is Nato stay out of Ukraine.
Then he will not invade.



Ref: CNN HD/ WION HD/ TRTworldHD

[MTVN]

Biden is a foreign policy disasterclass, worse than Trump. He said last night that Russia probably will 'move in' but it won't be a full on war as if a small invasion of another country is all cool, massive encouragement for Putin..

[bots]

Biden seems to be incompetent on every front. His words yesterday were a disaster. He has pretty much sealed ukraine's fate

[MTVN]

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has hit back at comments made by his US counterpart Joe Biden about a "minor incursion" by Russia into his country.

Mr Biden had suggested that a "minor" attack might bring a weaker response from the US and its allies.

But Mr Zelensky tweeted: "There are no minor incursions. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60072502

[arista]

Another Week
of talks by Russia and USA.

[UserSince2005]

I made an effort to do a quick tour of ukraine before I left for NYC in last year. I spent every moment thinking about how this could be my last trip to the ukraine. Don’t let kyiv fall to the nasties please

[glib]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

I made an effort to do a quick tour of ukraine before I left for NYC in last year. I spent every moment thinking about how this could be my last trip to the ukraine. Don’t let kyiv fall to the nasties please

It’s Ukraine darlin, Middlesbrough is probably a better holiday destination.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by glib

It’s Ukraine darlin, Middlesbrough is probably a better holiday destination.

Ukraine is a great holiday. And so cheap. You live like a king.

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Reports in the Papers
says Putin has picked a Pro Russian Former Parliament member
"Yevhen Murayev" in Ukraine to take the Power over.
He has no votes at the time.