[Christmas Dynasnow]

here is an interesting paper on judging the success of a "society" beyond GDP

https://www.oecd.org/site/progressko...t/41684236.pdf

"State of the Union Address, 3 January 1934

… Without regard to party, the overwhelming majority of our people seek a greater opportunity for
humanity to prosper and find happiness. They recognize that human welfare has not increased and does not
increase through mere materialism and luxury, but that it does progress through integrity, unselfishness,
responsibility and justice …"

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Worsened.

I think 2016 particularly became a turning point in splitting societies and even families.

I'd say up to 2012 things were okay but even then cracks were there as to society.

From 2012 onwards however.
Intolerance has taken over, suspicion, distrust and a breakdown on lots of levels.

I don't exclude myself from that.
I have got less tolerant too.

It's actually very sad but I can't see it being repaired or rebuilt either.

Yes though, the last coming now up to 10 years have been in my view, the most divisive generated from the top down as to society.

Agreed. 2016 is well overrated.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not to sound too much like an old fogie............buuuut I really do believe Social media has to take a huge chunk of the blame for dividing people and riling people up

Yup. Millennials feel like they have to live the polished fantasy life that people portray on social media and they go bankrupt in the process.

No 19-year-old lad needs a Mercedes and 8 Gucci belts but that’s what certain corners of Instagram will have them thinking.

That and the fact that every other person seems to want to self-identify as neurodivergent (autistic, ADHD, depressed, etc.), all the while trivialising those conditions.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It all depends what you mean by "Society"?

and then how on earth you would quantify "Better" or "worse"

Being the sort of person I am I’m less interested in governmental/political factors and more interested in people and social trends so that’s what I personally took as hallmarks of society. But you can talk about it from any perspective you want.

And it’s a casual thread on a Big Brother forum. No one’s really asking you to statistically quantify better or worse. All you need to do is give an opinion.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

Agreed. 2016 is well overrated.


Yup. Millennials feel like they have to live the polished fantasy life that people portray on social media and they go bankrupt in the process.

No 19-year-old lad needs a Mercedes and 8 Gucci belts but that’s what certain corners of Instagram will have them thinking.

Not to make you feel old Redway, but the youngest millennials are currently 25 . Today’s 19 year olds are very firmly GenZ.

That and the fact that every other person seems to want to self-identify as neurodivergent (autistic, ADHD, depressed, etc.), all the while trivialising those conditions
.

I see this slightly differently actually. I think a combination of poor socialisation in early years + an over reliance on social media has lead to a generation that has a lot of people who are 1) socially awkward and 2) suffer from generalised and/or social anxiety. The combination of those things is symptomatically similar to an autism diagnosis, which is why they believe they actually are neurodivergent, when it’s purely social conditioning.

It’s a bugbear of mine because my youngest is learning disabled with a clinical diagnosis of ASD… but because there are so many anxious teens with no comorbid disabilities self-diagnosing with autism, I feel like I can’t just describe my daughter as autistic. I have to qualify it with “yes, she is ‘properly’ disabled”. People hear “autistic” and think “they’ll be quirky, anxious and shy” not significant neurological disability.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not to make you feel old Redway, but the youngest millennials are currently 25 . Today’s 19 year olds are very firmly GenZ.

I’m pretty sure you got the gist of that message either way. Some people use millennial in reference to young people in general because in the most technical sense a millennial is someone who came/will come of age in the early 21st century and that can technically include the year 2049 if we’re really pushing the boat. It’s pop psychologists who think millennial ends at a certain-and-very-definite point in the late ’90s but it’s not as if it or Gen. Z are very scientific concepts in the first place.

[Urban Cragou]

To be fair to my poll-point about avocado-trends, avocado oil (the type that Costco sells) is supposed to be da bomb. Naturally healthy and tastes just like neutral vegetable oil when heated up, apparently. I’ll have to test the hypothesis one day.

[Festive Friend]

Definitely worse I reckon, The world in general seems a very different place to what it was even 6 years ago and certainly not for the better

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Friendlykev92

Definitely worse I reckon, The world in general seems a very different place to what it was even 6 years ago and certainly not for the better

Oh how I agree.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Friendlykev92

Definitely worse I reckon, The world in general seems a very different place to what it was even 6 years ago and certainly not for the better

Well yesterday, my Brother told me of a woman facing abuse on Social Media because she rescued Foxes.

Sadly it looks like she killed herself, I don't know if it was purely down to the abuse that she was receiving on Social Media, but I bet that it didn't help.

But my point being the fact that people were so upset at someone rescuing Foxes, I honestly don't believe that people would've been so unhinged a decade ago.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

To be fair to my poll-point about avocado-trends, avocado oil (the type that Costco sells) is supposed to be da bomb. Naturally healthy and tastes just like neutral vegetable oil when heated up, apparently. I’ll have to test the hypothesis one day.

WT actual F has this to do with our society !?


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[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Zizu

WT actual F has this to do with our society !?


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Zizu fails to understand and contextualise basic sub-text yet again. Wow. I’d say I’m shocked but … nah. Clearly not.

You need to get a real grip, you. This is tragic.

[Ammi]

…why specifically 11 years, Redway…just out of interest, that seems a bit random…..

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

Heavy one for a Wednesday night but I’m in one of those thread-making moods and I’ve recently been thinking about how much certain things have changed since 2010 (at least in comparison to how we were envisioning it at the beginning of that new decade).

2020 and 2021 have been write-offs (or at least not what was expected) for pretty much everyone so in theoretical terms we might as well still be at the tail-end of 2019, so if you were to envision/place yourself on or at New Year’s Eve 2019/20 (either with all the knowledge of how things would unfold within the following 22-month period or just taking the 2010s into account), how would you describe the state of society compared to ten years prior with regard to general life and social trends (e.g., broadening of L.G.B.T./gender identities, more political correctness, adult millennial culture emerging)?

I wish I still lived in the 60’s .. much quieter, safer , slower pace .

I’d still want the Fibre Broadband , Sky , Netflix, Amazon Prime and YouTube though !!


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I wish I still lived in the 60’s .. much quieter, safer , slower pace .

I’d still want the Fibre Broadband , Sky , Netflix, Amazon Prime and YouTube though !!


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Friends sometimes say I was "born in the wrong decade" because most films and music I like are from around the eighties ... BUT if I'd have grown up back then a)I'd have to wait for each thing to come out, rather than having it all available now and b) I'd now be really OLD!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Friends sometimes say I was "born in the wrong decade" because most films and music I like are from around the eighties ... BUT if I'd have grown up back then a)I'd have to wait for each thing to come out, rather than having it all available now and b) I'd now be really OLD!

It was all part of the enjoyment though, waiting for physical albums to come out, the album covers with the art work and words to the songs etc.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was all part of the enjoyment though, waiting for physical albums to come out, the album covers with the art work and words to the songs etc.

Twin cassette recorder/players


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was all part of the enjoyment though, waiting for physical albums to come out, the album covers with the art work and words to the songs etc.

i have hundreds of physical albums, i can't remember the last time i looked at them. They are all warping nicely at the back of the garage

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i have hundreds of physical albums, i can't remember the last time i looked at them. They are all warping nicely at the back of the garage

It's different when you're a teenager though or a teenager in the 90's, music was everything then

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Friends sometimes say I was "born in the wrong decade" because most films and music I like are from around the eighties ... BUT if I'd have grown up back then a)I'd have to wait for each thing to come out, rather than having it all available now and b) I'd now be really OLD!

You would be a happier person though.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was all part of the enjoyment though, waiting for physical albums to come out, the album covers with the art work and words to the songs etc.

I prefer physical media to digital, and I collect different releases! The few modern things I do like, I do properly

Originally Posted by parmnion

You would be a happier person though.

Everyone would be happier without social media tbh

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I prefer physical media to digital, and I collect different releases! The few modern things I do like, I do properly


Everyone would be happier without social media tbh

That’s open for debate ..

I personally love social media ... as in TikTok , Instagram, Twitter and YouTube .

I detest Facebook oddly


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[Parmy]

Mark Zuckerberg would be a miserable little sod.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mark Zuckerberg would be a miserable little sod.

As he should be.

[Tinsel Toes]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mark Zuckerberg would be a miserable little sod.

Is he really happy ? have you read the last words of Steve Jobs , he say's all there is to say about wealth.

[arista]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Is he really happy ? have you read the last words of Steve Jobs , he say's all there is to say about wealth.

Yes Mark Z
is happy


His Mother keeps him on the Ground
if she goes
he may not be so cool.

[Merry Mockmas]

I believe it's worsened and not because of any prejudice towards any group of people (being accepting of other groups of people has been the best part about society over the last few years) I feel like overall people are a lot more miserable and stressed than I remember people being 11 years ago.

Maybe I'm being biased because of my childhood memories of those times, but a lot of people don't seem to know how to have fun nowadays, and tbf with our current Government I can't exactly blame these people for feeling that way.