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if he was blameless he would have walked away at the first sniff of a problem

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

I don't think that's true at all to be honest, she's continuing the Aquaman franchise as an established character but her career overall will have been deeply affected. Also you could argue that Depp's career has already peaked (probably around Pirates of the Caribbean 2?) whereas hers was on the rise but that will no longer be the case.

The issue I have I guess is one that other people often don't agree with me on, because there's this firm opinion that people turn 18 and then are adults and that's that. IMO, as they got into a relationship when she was 25, her bitterness/anger (what you could loosely term toxicity) will have been to some extent forged in and by this relationship. She was barely a few years out of school when they got together, he was an almost 50 year old with a long Hollywood career and decades of substance abuse under his belt.

I previously hadn't actually realised how young she was when they met. It completely changes the scenario for me.

I wouldn't question at all that their relationship was clearly extremely messy and codependant all round but I think the abusive stuff almost certainly started with him, and almost certainly when he was on benders. I believe the texts shown from him being sorry are real, I imagine he doesn't remember half of it and was sorry for the other half, that they made dark jokes about it etc., that it gradually formed part of an "intense relationship" that continued to spiral to the point where the abuse was on both sides.



In all honestly the best thing that could happen is that they both get therapy, he gets sober, they acknowledge it as a messy period in their lives and move on... careers included... Neither necessarily needs "cancelling" if its in the past.

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

No he clearly isn't. So far though Amber seems to be getting off the hook and I think she is equally as toxic.

Not in the media she isn't, from what I've seen and read the vast majority are on Depps side

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not in the media she isn't, from what I've seen and read the vast majority are on Depps side

Nobody said Depp was perfect,but it's quite clear that he's been provoked and prodded. Plus it's clear Depp has mental health issues . Whereas Heard comes across as a complete manipulative lying nasty individual. I've seen clips where Depp looks uncomfortable around her, she's a bully .

And Depp's ex's have all defended him pretty much haven't they ?, So why has this relationship been a car crash ... surely all his relationships would have been problematic otherwise if he was such a 'bad' person?. But I guess I'll need to follow the trial closely .

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Nobody said Depp was perfect,but it's quite clear that he's been provoked and prodded. Plus it's clear Depp has mental health issues . Whereas Heard comes across as a complete manipulative lying nasty individual. I've seen clips where Depp looks uncomfortable around her, she's a bully .



And Depp's ex's have all defended him pretty much haven't they ?, So why has this relationship been a car crash ... surely all his relationships would have been problematic otherwise if he was such a 'bad' person?. But I guess I'll need to follow the trial closely .

I don't know, maybe they were just a bad combination? Maybe he didn't have such severe addictions in his other relationships? Of course I'm not defending her either both of the have clearly behaved badly in the relationship

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah can't disagree with TS here. People seem to want Depp to be innocent because of who he is, he's certainly not blameless in this

Tbf I think that everyone knows that Depp has his flaws.

[Liam-]

Considering multiple of Ambers ex’s have come forward and said she was violent and abusive towards them to, the track record speaks for itself I think.

Also, sorry, but she most definitely benefited from the metoo movement, she took advantage of it to twist her narrative and Johnnys career was immediately effected as a result, Amber, while social media are rightfully against her, has yet to face any consequences for what there is undeniable proof that she did to him and even if he does win this case, I seriously doubt she ever will face any repercussions

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Considering multiple of Ambers ex’s have come forward and said she was violent and abusive towards them to, the track record speaks for itself I think.

Also, sorry, but she most definitely benefited from the metoo movement, she took advantage of it to twist her narrative and Johnnys career was immediately effected as a result, Amber, while social media are rightfully against her, has yet to face any consequences for what there is undeniable proof that she did to him and even if he does win this case, I seriously doubt she ever will face any repercussions

Exactly
She knows full well his career will never be the same, mud sticks whether you're innocent or not.

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"Poor Johnny Depp has mental health problems and was prodded and provoked"

"Amber Heard is evil, nasty and bat**** crazy".

"I'm on team ______"

Pretty much sums it up for me. Not a nuances view that reflects any sort of reality, is it... Goodies, baddies, teams... Just doesn't describe real relationships in the real world. Fantasies and bias.

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its pretty grim that its all washed in public

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its pretty grim that its all washed in public

I agree but such is fame in the end, I suppose. I mean, Will and Jada tried valiantly for years to keep their private stuff private but it seems it all bubbles out in the end if you're in the public eye.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...testimony.html

[arista]

[The court heard a number of audio recordings
of Depp and Heard arguing - it was not clear
who took each one but it was one of the parties]

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ive just read that this trial is set to go on for at least another month!

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ive just read that this trial is set to go on for at least another month!

Oh bliddy hell

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I have to say, Amber lawyer is so incompetent.
I'm embarrassed for her

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ive just read that this trial is set to go on for at least another month!

Honestly I’ll take it, I could watch Depp dunking on Heard’s idiot lawyer forever

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Honestly I’ll take it, I could watch Depp dunking on Heard’s idiot lawyer forever

She just objected to her own question

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Honestly I’ll take it, I could watch Depp dunking on Heard’s idiot lawyer forever

Heehee me too teeheehee violent drunks are so witty and clever.

[Liam-]

Nah, Amber isn’t funny at all

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, Amber isn’t funny at all

Quite right, burn the witch! BURN IT!!



Get 'er Winona! Poor Johnny Depp is Very Sad and only you can help him UwU

[user104658]

In case anyone is still wondering what they're hearing and what they're defending;

Horrible, insidious and sustained emotional abuse. The public support of Depp in this is an absolute mess, what he's doing right now with this lawsuit is an extended part of the abuse - there are messages showing this, explicitly stating that this is his plan - what more do people want?

Again do I think Amber Heard is probably pretty messy herself? Yes that seems likely. Again, she chose to get into a relationship with an extremely troubled older man with massive personal demons and addiction problems, it suggests not being in the healthiest place herself, but **** me... the people denying that he was abusive when there's documented evidence of it and one court has upheld it already. Have a look at yourself and ask yourself why.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In case anyone is still wondering what they're hearing and what they're defending;

Horrible, insidious and sustained emotional abuse. The public support of Depp in this is an absolute mess, what he's doing right now with this lawsuit is an extended part of the abuse - there are messages showing this, explicitly stating that this is his plan - what more do people want?

Again do I think Amber Heard is probably pretty messy herself? Yes that seems likely. Again, she chose to get into a relationship with an extremely troubled older man with massive personal demons and addiction problems, it suggests not being in the healthiest place herself, but **** me... the people denying that he was abusive when there's documented evidence of it and one court has upheld it already. Have a look at yourself and ask yourself why.

Oh wow. He head butted her? This trial is so disturbing. What people do to each other

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh wow. He head butted her? This trial is so disturbing. What people do to each other

He forcefully checked up her vagina to see if she was hiding his cocaine.