[Crimson Dynamo]

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. (Lords prayer)

It is also not enough to forgive just once. Jesus says in the parable of the Unforgiving Servant that it is not enough simply to forgive someone seven times, but seventy time seven (Matthew 18:21-22) which implies as often as is needed.

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. (Lords prayer)

It is also not enough to forgive just once. Jesus says in the parable of the Unforgiving Servant that it is not enough simply to forgive someone seven times, but seventy time seven (Matthew 18:21-22) which implies as often as is needed.

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Jesus sounds like a bit of a Doormat tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jesus sounds like a bit of a Doormat tbh

no he is just chilled

All the way through the Bible the message (or gathered human wisdom to avoid wars and death) is "m8te you need to forgive people and people will forgive you when you f up" otherwise is a sh1tfest bro and you will spend way to much time with negative energy and like mental health issues - yo feel me?"

ie forgive

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no he is just chilled

All the way through the Bible the message (or gathered human wisdom to avoid wars and death) is "m8te you need to forgive people and people will forgive you when you f up" otherwise is a sh1tfest bro and you will spend way to much time with negative energy and like mental health issues - yo feel me?"

ie forgive

Look where that got him though, chillin' on a cross

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Look where that got him though, chillin' on a cross

ah yes but he forgave those who did it

“Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they’re doing.”

and when he died it meant that eternal life was promised to all people who have faith in him.

So it was a win win for humanity in the end

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jesus sounds like a bit of a Doormat tbh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

[bots]

turn the other cheek is another classic

[Redway]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

turn the other cheek is another classic

But is that always practical when people are trespassing your values and boundaries in the most disgusting ways (as is often the case with so many people)?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

turn the other cheek is another classic

A cheek for a cheek makes the whole bum fall off.

[Redway]

Going back to the thread topic, the most painful thing about the most recent experience of betrayal I had with people who actually meant something to me (last year) is that we actually mostly got on just fine in the beginning (after a dodgy first few weeks getting to know these two guys) and there was a point where I gave a lot (way more than I needed to) and was low-key planning a mutual holiday for the three of us between Amsterdam and Florence (Italy) but then they went and did what they did over the course of several months and a lot of drama came out of it so it all went very sour. Only one of them properly apologised for what he did but the funny thing is the other one still had the audacity to chime at me one of the last times I saw him (I probably wouldn’t have forgiven him or wanted anything to do with him generally even with an apology). There was this other mutual person known to two of us who got involved in my life last September/October (who ended up really pissing me off and very much violating my boundaries) but he was just a random face I never gave a monkey’s about in the first place so when he got the guilt-hint (I think he did try and genuinely patch things up prior but I didn’t care) and deleted me off one of my socials I really wasn’t bothered. I just wish I’d have had a chance to have told him what-for in person but being the flakey fly-by-night he was he wasn’t even worth that. I hope I never see the bastard again.

[Redway]

Last year was far from my easiest but it taught me a thing or two about self-validation, boundaries and realising that it’s okay to just walk away from people who haven’t proved themselves to be worth your time and attention if they lack the most basic respect. I’m not even a boundary-buss like that but so many people out there don’t even know the basics of it,

[Josy]

Fool me once, shame on shame on you, Fool me you can't get fooled again

[Redway]

And even having said all that stuff about the past 2 years I’ve still met some very cool people within that time-frame but I’ve only interacted with them in a limited capacity so it’s hard to say too much when it comes to that. I’m sure there’ll be a time when I become more trusting in a generalised sense but it’s going to take a specific form of therapy for me to get to that point and I’m just not there yet. I know I’m not.

[Redway]

What are your thoughts on the whole concept of forgiveness, Ollie? I can’t remember what you said nearer the top of this thread (if you did comment).

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

What are your thoughts on the whole concept of forgiveness, Ollie? I can’t remember what you said nearer the top of this thread (if you did comment).

Everyone has their own mileage and I can accept that, but I just can't be bothered with harbouring grudges, I don't want to give such negativity the headspace. Plus I'm quite laid back in general, which results in me being mostly forgiving. I've not really been at the wrong end of any serious transgressions, so I've not been in a position where forgiveness is not an option.

[GoldHeart]

As the 99 song - wear sunscreen goes .. ' forget the insults & remember the compliments' .

[Crimson Dynamo]

“Love prospers when a fault is forgiven,
but dwelling on it separates close friends.”

[Crimson Dynamo]

“Love prospers when a fault is forgiven,
but dwelling on it separates close friends.”

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

“Love prospers when a fault is forgiven,
but dwelling on it separates close friends.”

Spike Milligan ??




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